to believe kesha 100% about being sexualy abused

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Kesha is now taking legal action against the guy that signed her stating sexual abuse.

This is the guy that made wreaking ball, califonia girls and tick tock.

I think this is something that is commonplace by older guys in power abusing 15 y/o girls. Hope the guy gets locked away

MrsTerry not sure it's fair to say most people don't lie about this as you are effectivky saying those men and women found not guilty in a fair trial of abuse/rape effectivly just got off because accusers don't lie.

Surely that's grossly unfair.

she's had an eating disorder, which is something that is sometimes co-morbid

And is more often something that has nothing to do with sexual abuse.

I would imagine that many female stars have had eating disorders due to the amount of press attention on their weight and the pressure to be thin.

owl yes agree am not fond of sweeping generalisations.

I've worked with people with addictions, eating disorders and the like. Absolutely it can be completely unrelated but in a very large proportion of people, eating disorders/addictions and sexual abuse are linked.

Thebody it is the case that most sex offenders 'get off'. MASSIVELY more than those that are falsely accused. Most aren't reported, then most of those don't get to trial, then most of those don't get a conviction. Is this a surprise to people?

See this graphis.

Sweeping generalisation or something the British Journal of Psychiatry though important enough to examine. One of many studies that looked at this.

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I have no idea whether she was sexually abused or not. How can I possibly have enough information to state categorically whether I do or don't believe her?

I don't see why she would lie about this. It's hard for victims of sexual abuse to get justice, and this is a famous and influential man, they usually think they can get away with abuse and they're sadly often right.

Very few people would lie about something like this. I believe her.

It how do you actually know categorically they got off if a jury finds not guilty then that's it. Unless you are saying they confess after.

Couldn't that be true of any not guilty verdict and so be very unfair to those acquitted.

I am sure you are right that some guilty bastards walk but how would you know which ones?

I am not saying she's lying I have no idea but surely we have to be fair to both sides and listen.

I totally get the link with anorexia and I too worked in a psychiatric unit.

Still none of us here know any of the facts in this case.

Where on earth has this idea come from that the "We believe you" thing is about children?

It is about all victims of sexual abuse, and came about because people who have tried to tell others including the authorities about sexual abuse have been accused of lying, told to shut up and sent on their way.

The point of it was that, accusations of sex crimes are very rarely fabricated, and so the staring point for people should not be "you're making it up now fuck off" but "we believe you and will take action accordingly".

Clearly this does not over-ride the actions of the police in investigating crimes, nor juries in listening to the evidence it is a support slogan on a parenting website which is populated by vast numbers of women who have been sexually abused / assaulted and not told anyone about it for fear of not being believed (amongst other things) or who have tried to tell people and had a really bad time as a result.

I have no idea who Kesha is BTW but from a statistical perspective she is highly likely to be telling the truth.

Thank you for putting that MrsTerryPratchett.

I believe her.

As a child in the 70s the school bus driver regularly put his hand down our pants. Obviously my dm told me he was just tickling us, he was and it was wrong as he was clearky turned on by doing so. No one listened to kids in the 70s.

However my gut feel that the campaign would be a lot less patronising if it told adult women we will listen to you and assured that investigation would ensue.

Children are very different and should have the we belive you attitude shown to them.

Anyway just my take on it.

And No one in here has any idea if these allegations are true or false as no one in here knows any facts at all.

I honestly find it wierd to have an opinion that's presented as a fact.

As a Corey Haim fan I want to know who the bastard was in Hollywood who abused him, leading to his drug abuse and then his death.

I think this goes on a lot with child stars.

Positions of Power and absent/star struck parents.

Yes, I believe it's a huge problem and that the perpetrators must be named, shamed and stopped, not allowed to continue just because they're rich and famous.

They should be tried in a court.

They should be tried in a court. But the likelihood is that without naming people, you are talking about one victim, child at the time, their word against the perpetrator. It probably won't even get to Court, and if it does, there probably won't be a conviction.

I'm not saying we should tar and feather everyone accused of sexual assault. However, I really don't think that even a hundredth of the people who are actually sex offenders are serving any time in prison.

BTW people who think the statistics are flawed because, 'how do you know people are guilty?', there have been studies where they have interviewed men, asked them questions about sex and when a legal definition of rape is applied to their answers, lots are rapists. The VAST majority of them have never even been told they are by anyone, let alone a Police Officer, Judge or Jury.

There is a massive issue with sex offences and how we deal with them. The current system doesn't serve victims at all. I don't know what a better system is but this one is shit.

I think the dire stats on rape being reported in the first place, then the few rapes actually brought before the courts, then the dire conviction rates - that we do actually have to take special measures, different to how other crimes are viewed and treated. I don't think rape is viewed, reported or gets the justice that other crimes get, so the way it is handled has to reflect that.

When someone reports a theft from their house, we don't start with the premise that there's a 50:50 chance they've hidden away a valuable item to claim on insurance fraud. We take what they say and face value and investigate further. We believe them unless and until evidence comes to light that they are lying. And in the event of the theft going to court after evidence gathering, the prosecution still has to prove guilt; that's not subsumed by our initial belief in the victim's story.

So yes, I believe her.

Ironically all this publicity and the Yewtree investigation has meant that (amonst other factors) there has been a 30% rise in reporting/recording recently. Sounds horrific but it's actually a good thing. More people feel able to report.

Totally agree on the naming of accused and trawling for previous victims, especially in historic cases, my point was that after a trial if acquitted, it's then unfair to take the attitude that thru just got off but were really guilty.

Anyway I agree the conviction rates are bad as most don't get to court. It's a crime that's do difficult to prove unless it's a stranger off the street and DNA etc but we all know that's rare. It's usually a person known to the victim.

I think we need to start much much earlier in schools and homes really talking about boundaries, appropriate touching, relationships etc.

I have high hopes actually. My dds are a hell of a lot more kick ass than I was, and we listen to our kids much more so than before.

Thebody, conviction rates for rapes that get to court are in line with other crimes of violence, IIRC. It's just so many don't get there.

I don't think there are many defences now, in any kind of rape case, that involve the man denying penetration (DNA would make this unwise); most trials are about consent, even "stranger" ones.

And as has been pointed out to me before by a very lovely poster, that kind of rape isn't rare; it's 10-15% of rape cases which still means 1000s of such cases a year.

Also, we all form our own opinions about guilt and we are not obliged to keep them to ourselves; what we mustn't do is treat an acquitted person unfairly in a process like job interviewing.