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To think £100k pa is NOT 'the squeezed middle'?

999 replies

ArsenicFaceCream · 05/10/2014 01:16

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The article is very confidently attributing the definition to Danny Dorling, but did he really name this figure?!

These women are fools.

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StripyBanana · 06/10/2014 21:50

Daughter that made me smile too!

I think half the problem is as you say about - average m/c parents in our parents generation could afford a sahp and luxuries. These days you'd need both parents working full time and that still doesnt bring same quality of life.

wannabestressfree · 06/10/2014 21:53

Evicted hope your better now....

abouttobeevicted · 06/10/2014 22:00

yes much better but unfortunately still living week to week. and we don't even have our own house renting

wannabestressfree · 06/10/2014 22:01

I am in a similar position at the moment :(

rollonthesummer · 06/10/2014 22:03

In fact, I can't think of a more child-friendly job.

Really?!

It's a lot easier to both be full-time teachers than it is to both be full-time anything else!

Really?

On what basis do you make these assertions?

Are you a teacher, by the way? Or is your husband?

DaughterDilemma · 06/10/2014 22:10

Abouttobe, I think we have Daughter Of Xenia.

Wink Xenia the Thatcherite Warrior

rollonthesummer · 06/10/2014 22:13

edam you do realise how much teachers earn? Two mid level teachers have a household income of about £100k.

There is a lot of piffle being spouted on this post! I'm probably what could be termed a 'mid-level' teacher. I've been teaching for 16 years, have gone up through the mainscale spine points and am now in the middle of the upper pay scale. Nearly the highest I can get without being management. No TLRs are given at my school except to those on the management team anyway. Full time, I'm on about £35k.

TalkinPeace · 06/10/2014 22:18

Two mid level teachers have a household income of about £100k.
links to the pay scales are up thread.
the maximum possible pay at tip top grade in Central London for a classroom teacher is £45k

Greengrow · 06/10/2014 22:20

I am not particularly an expensive holidays person. I will have spent nearly £1m on the children's education and childcare over 30 years and tiny tiny amount comparatively on holidays. The year before the video I mention we went to Butlins for a week. I suppose my point was all those sacrifices in the early years paid off.

(It is always difficult when teachers join threads as they seem to have an unique ability to feel hard done by even though they earn a lot more than the average person)

(abouttobe - yes; not my choice to change).

MonsoonInCambodia · 06/10/2014 22:22

xenia and cod are both instantly recognisable thank god as I like them both (although I do get a bit irate at xenia's opinions on 10 year old girls having their lives mapped out for them so that they don't ever have to take maternity leave)

DaughterDilemma · 06/10/2014 22:22

Wine For the teachers out there. Grin

abouttobeevicted · 06/10/2014 22:30

greengrow- I'm v happy your back.Grin

I must admit that a few years ago you inspired me. why should I be paid less! why should I want less!
now with my vvvv supportive dh I earn lots and my lovely dh is a sahd.
we swop jobs as we earn about the same. but I'm getting jobs quicker than him. he's OK with it. that's the real man here

I'm sorry you got divorced but if your in London pm me I'd love to meet up

ihategeorgeosborne · 06/10/2014 22:32

Personally, I think teachers work damn hard. Certainly all the teachers I know work extremely hard. My dcs are in a state school and the teachers are fantastic. They work long hours, they are always at school early and finish late. I'm sure they work at home too doing lesson plans, etc. I think they deserve to be well remunerated. How is their job any less deserving than a lawyer or a banker? They are educating and inspiring the next generation of future tax payers.

charleybarley · 06/10/2014 22:39

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Trisarahtops · 06/10/2014 22:42

DH and I have a combined net income of about £6000 pcm (which equates to a gross income of a little over £100k per year).

We have a reasonably small mortgage by today's standards (a little under £270k) - DH's commute to London is less than an hour, but house prices are reasonable because the state schools aren't great.

We can afford private schools for DD and DS, but only by being careful with expenditure elsewhere (e.g. our house is very 'granny chic' because we can't afford to decorate, and our holiday this year was 2 weeks in a static caravan in Berwick-upon-Tweed).

DH has a similar job to the one his dad had (his mum was a SAHM). His parents managed to send him and his brother to boarding school on that salary - something we can't manage on our combined salaries. (I went to grammar school - my parents could never have afforded private).

Our current salaries are the product of years of training and planning. I worked FT when the DC were little even though I earned less than the childcare cost. All that time I was gaining experience (and making pension contributions), so the short-term loss was balanced by long-term gain.

If we'd had the same jobs 30 years ago we would have had much more spending power. I can see why people with our level of income feel 'squeezed' - and my understanding was that 'middle' refers to middle class rather than middle income.

rollonthesummer · 06/10/2014 23:24

(It is always difficult when teachers join threads as they seem to have an unique ability to feel hard done by even though they earn a lot more than the average person)

Someone has claimed two mid-range teachers earn £100k. Teachers have said-'no, that's not true' and you think that is them being hard done by?

Apatite1 · 06/10/2014 23:32

100k is not a small income FFS.

Expecting to put 3 kids through private schooling, interspersed by yearly long haul holidays, designer clothes, big house etc is living in cloud cuckoo land. I'll save my sympathy for when 100k doesn't put food on the table or a roof over your head. That's when a real squeeze happens. The former is just a lack of luxuries, not a squeeze.

PigletJohn · 06/10/2014 23:59

putting kids through private schools means you have to economise on something else. Depending on how far your head is above water, that might be the helicopter, or the second Bentley, or the villa in Tuscany, or the week in Torremolinos, or it might mean home-made sandwiches instead of coffee and cakes in Costas.

Pastperfect · 07/10/2014 06:46

I want to go to Barbados in 2015 and skiing in 2014

I think we're actually going to end up doing Lapland and Disney before eldest is too old

I certainly don't need to "justify" why I work but equally I don't pretend I'm poor

Greengrow · 07/10/2014 07:11

We all pick our priorities and things vary throughout a long working life for most of us. In my 20s working full time with 3 children it was can - we afford the food and childcare costs rather than holidays abroad. (The week at Butlins was lovely by the way and we were lucky to have a holiday). Likewise only one week holiday this year due to debt repayments etc is fine too. Next year as I said above might be better. Actually I love being at home so even if there is no holidays it's fine with me but I do like getting all 5 children together now 3 are older and that is harder to achieve and if it's Barbados and skiing they are more likely to come than a wet weekend in a tent in Wales say.....

Mind you earlier this week one daughter whatsapped us lovely photos of beaches in Jordan where she is on holiday and the other retorted with Mauritius (her holiday this week) (my daughters picked their careers with care unlike many women) and one of my teenager who has a sense of humour sent a picture of our very wet front drive covered in puddles of water, the rest of us slogging it out in rainy London whilst the girls have a good time abroad.

Health should matter most to most people in my view, not where you can afford to go on holiday. I was out at a meeting last night for a voluntary thing and everyone there (all older than I am ) has or has had serious health issues and one was on oxygen tanks. Money is irrelevant if you're ill so I suppose the most important things we can do to minimise that risk of later illness is try to eat well and get a lot of sleep (hard to get a lot of sleep when you have babies though as I remember only too well).

(aboutto, thanks. Yes some women can earn more than they think and don't know how much other women earn so it's always good to learn that and if that matters to someone realise you can do it)

atticusclaw · 07/10/2014 07:30

Nobody is saying teachers don't work hard. Where did that come from? The comments I think originated from someone saying its not often possible for a family of two teachers to both work FT which is clearly rubbish.

I was simply saying that two teachers can earn £100k so people shouldn't think that its only lawyers that earn that much. In fact doctors are far better paid than most lawyers so it isn't just people with jobs that people hate that are well paid.

Clearly there's a big difference between one person earning £100k and 2 people earning £100k between them. But its still a household income of £100k which is what the article was about.

There's no point debating endlessly what I meant by the term "mid level". I would have thought mid level meant middle management hence the salaries I quoted are correct. Even if there was no management element and no additional responsibility payment involved then £45k a year is achievable so twice that is 90k and not far off the £100k we are discussing.

Pastperfect · 07/10/2014 07:34

greengrow As an aside I am a vocal proponent of greater transparency in terms of women's salaries. The only people discretion serves are the bosses who can use ignorance to suppress an individuals salary. I always make it clear to particularly other women in my team that if they wish I am prepared to be honest and frank about what I earn.

Pastperfect · 07/10/2014 07:36

Oh god that barely makes sense...

GratefulHead · 07/10/2014 07:38

Not many teachers earn £50k and you'd need two teachers in this huge amount to get a £100k income. From what I can see as a TA our teachers are outrageously underpaid for the amount of work they do. They don't turn up five mins before the children do, nor do they leave five mins after the children go home. A massive amount of old Ning and marking goes on...often in their own time as there isn't time during school hours and immediately after is often taken up with meetings or other stuff.

A NQT starts on just over £20k and it rises to just over £30k outside of London. A nice salary but not in the realms of two teachers earning £100k between them.

GratefulHead · 07/10/2014 07:39

planning