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To think that ten days later the "no voters are selfish", "no voters are stupid", "no voters betrayed Scotland", "no voters are forcing us to pay for war", comments should have abated a bit?

91 replies

ArcheryAnnie · 29/09/2014 12:56

Seriously, am still seeing a flood of bile on my TLs against no voters - no attempts at reconciliation. I'm going to have to block or mute people I thought were reasonable, as it's just not stopping.

I totally get that people are seriously disappointed, and that's going to be expressed for a while, but it seems that nobody in the country can get a hangnail without a yes voter posting about it with a "ARE YOU HAPPY NOW, YOU STUPID, SELFISH NO VOTERS??11!!" comment.

Thing is, if there was another referendum tomorrow, is it really the best way to change people's minds by constantly calling them stupid, selfish, gullible, betratyrs of the Scottish people, unScottish, etc etc etc?

Weirdly enough, I'm not seeing anything at all from no voters on my TL - nothing either positive or negative. They've all (in my corner of the internet, at least) all gone to ground.

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tilliebob · 29/09/2014 13:00

Absobloodylutely. Agree 100%.

SantanaLopez · 29/09/2014 13:03

Agreed. The behaviour of a large section of the yes campaign after the referendum has been totally disgusting.

itsmeitscathy · 29/09/2014 13:06

Um did you see what happened inGeorge square last Friday night?

I've not seen any abuse towards no voters on my timelines - I've seen a few broken promises being pointed out though.

lem73 · 29/09/2014 13:09

No you ANBU. It's extremely depressing to see the intolerance for other peoples' views. Not a good basis on which to build an independent country.

SantanaLopez · 29/09/2014 13:11

What happened in George Square was down to thugs looking for an excuse to cause some trouble.

NeoFaust · 29/09/2014 13:17

It reminds me of the way that American conservatives, whenever anything goes wrong (from tax return errors to a misheard order at a drive-through) yell "THANKS OBAMA!"

SantanaLopez · 29/09/2014 13:17

And the 'broken promises' rhetoric is turning into a bit of a broken record too, actually.

It makes the assumption that it was the only reason people voted no. It wasn't. Maybe some people did vote no for that reason, but a lot of people voted no because the Yes campaign simply could not provide a decent plan, and they had made their mind up a long time in advance.

DontDrinkAndFacebook · 29/09/2014 13:23

I think it's always exactly the same with Labour v. Tory voters. Labour voters seem to love a rant. They make a huge amount of noise about how wrong everyone else is, and they keep up a diatribe of insults along the lines of 'racist, bigoted, nasty, greedy, entitled, stupid' etc., whereas Tory voters just quietly get on with voting Tory and shrug if other people don't agree with them.

Certainly among my own Scots friends and acquiantances it has been pretty much as you describe OP, with the Yes people being far more mouthy than the No people, even before the vote.

DontDrinkAndFacebook · 29/09/2014 13:24

Of course the Labour voters who voted No were uncharacteristically quiet during the referendum because they were not battling against Tories!

Icimoi · 29/09/2014 13:24

Agreed. I don't see why Yes voters aren't turning at least some of that energy into reflecting how their leaders got things so badly wrong. How about reflecting on the fact that if the Yes campaign had managed to come up with credible long term plans they might have succeeded? How about thinking about whether the reality is that they couldn't do so because independence just isn't a sensible course to take?

LonnyVonnyWilsonFrickett · 29/09/2014 13:27

That is a very good point Ici. While I'm not seeing too many generalised comments I am seeing a lot of 'how can no voters live with themselves' in various discussion feeds, and a lot of shutting down of debate, especially wrt to the military action against IS.

I'm also seeing a lot of activity towards we are the 45% and moving forward with that.

But not a lot of inward reflection about how things went wrong and what they can do to change that in the future...

Goldrill · 29/09/2014 13:31

Definitely. My DH's entire family are at the rabid end of the Yes campaign. He unfollowed all of them on facebook as he (/I) couldn't cope with the effect on his blood pressure and temper of a lot of their posting.

Everyone was magnanimous; it was a great start...

...and then 24 hours later - "we wuz robbed!" and all the videos "showing" miscounting (deliberate!!), and the calls for a new and fairer vote.

DH ordered to unfollow them all immediately or stop swearing so much.

Am sick and tired of the whole thing - and actually really quite hurt that none of DH's family noticed it might just have a massive impact on us and their grandchildren - and that my DH as a No sympathiser must be some kind of moron.

ashmts · 29/09/2014 13:35

They have abated in my circle, the first 48 hours were emotionally charged (as expected) and now it's calmed down. Maybe you need to look at whether these people are actual friends.

I don't think it's weird that there's nothing from 'no' voters. If you voted for things to stay the same and they basically did, what would you be posting about?

MorrisZapp · 29/09/2014 13:37

Agree. I've reluctantly unfollowed a few people I used to like catching up with.

This is going to be the new Iraq. I didn't support the war in Iraq, but there's only so long you can blame every tiny budget constraint on an illegal war. I don't remember us being minted prior to the war.

Everything now is the fault of no voters. It will run and run.

PrivatePike · 29/09/2014 13:39

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tilliebob · 29/09/2014 13:42

I said on my FB yesterday that I bloody wish they had won - then I could post lots of pish going "ooh look this is still the same/worse than ever" blah blah. I feel we're just going to get bullied and chipped away at until everyone just goes sod it, just let them get on with it. Like bullying on a mass scale.

If I'd realised that voting yes had meant instant independence on the 19th, food, money and an end to misery for all, I'd have been first in the queue to vote.....bangs head off desk....

itsmeitscathy · 29/09/2014 13:42

Private - what I'm saying is that there as been bile on both sides.

Behoove · 29/09/2014 13:54

Cue some random un-evidenced list with all the bad things that have happened in the last 10 days since the No vote (copied and pasted from Facebook of course)

Tick tock

YANBU

specialsubject · 29/09/2014 13:54

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Shenanagins · 29/09/2014 13:58

After the vote I hid a couple of the more vocal ones but it looks like I'm now going to have to hide some of my close friends as the diatribe is relentless.

I want to scream at them, its over, time to move on and work together to rebuild our country but I don't think they would get it.

emotionsecho · 29/09/2014 13:59

Sadly some people just cannot accept that other people have a different opinion and when they 'lose' the argument they automatically resort to name calling and insults. It's rather a sad indictment on them and it's everywhere as others on here have pointed out, just take a look at how non republicans are aways categorised as forelock tugging, cap doffing simpletons. Insulting and blaming others for your inability to put forward a coherent and 'winning' argument is no way to convert them to your point of view, sadly the people who behave like this don't care they just want their own way.

DontDrinkAndFacebook · 29/09/2014 14:00

I saw that 'misocunting' video but I wasn't sure whether it was for real or not, and what happened afterwards. Can anyone enlighten me?

PrimalLass · 29/09/2014 14:00

I haven't seen any of this still going on. There was a bit of back-and-forth for a couple of days but that's all. If you don't want to see it then don't be on Facebook with people who annoy you. I had to 'unfollow' a couple of particularly irritating 'no' voters as it was bloody endless. And have stopped using another forum because of patronising bile.

But I have seen a lot of people become engaged with politics. Which is a good thing.

DontDrinkAndFacebook · 29/09/2014 14:01

Oh dear that was an unfortunate typo. Blush

miscounting

MrsWedgeAntilles · 29/09/2014 14:17

I voted yes, I'm gutted we didn't get independence. I'm not happy that in the last 10 days the extra powers seemed to be being fudged, they've miraculously discovered 40 years of oil that was lost down the back of the sofa during the campaign, Labour is now saying the NHS is under threat when they had assured us it was much safer with a No vote and we're going to war again but that's not the No voters fault. They, like me, looked at the evidence and did what they thought was right for themselves, their families and their country.
All of us yes voters have to accept that independence isn't coming any time soon and buckle down to making the best out of what we did get.