to think no one should own land and ignore a sign saying private woods

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Ok o will probably get flamed here.

But there is a badly managed woods near me with am old broken sign that say private woods. Aibu to collect a few broken branches for the wood burner? I know it is stealing, but this woods is overgrown and I'm thinking how unethical it is for anyone to own land.

Land used to all be free, until someone carved it all up to hoard for themselves. If land was still free now maybe we wouldn't have to all be working such stupid hours wasting our lives doing a job we don't like.

People that do own land in the UK only really own the top soil, nothing underneath

Land is owned " a caelo usque ad centrum" unless there has been a reservation of minerals ,which is unusual outwith mining areas , or of airspace which is unusual most places.

VanitasVanitatum
Yes as a landowner / employer of people I have loads of different sodding insurances and I am assured by my office people that I would be covered.

However, I have made no secret of the fact that the first person to try and sue me for something that happens while they're wondering on my land , (which I have allowed them to do out of the goodness of my heart) will only succeed in getting the whole 2000 acres ring fenced and every single person who is not directly related to me or employed by me will be kept out. I would then be sure to tell the whole village which person was responsible for getting everyone booted off all the local countryside.

It wouldn't be hard to do, it was almost totally enclosed in the past so it would only be a case of about half a mile of walling and a few decent gates with big locks to secure the place again.

"Re badgers as I've already said, badgers are being shot here with the funding from tax payers money and I'd be very supprised if a badger can make a nest out of a branch less than an inch in diameter"

I go out and I miss all the fun!

Sooooo, because badgers are being shot where you live it's ok to trespass on someone else's property and take branches because the badgers will either be dead or in their nests (up in the trees of course, where your house must be seeing as you don't agree with owning land) so it doesn't matter anyway.

Okaaaay.

To be fair the badgers in your area would probably be safer scrambling up trees to reach nests at the moment. (Illustration attached for the benefit of the OP).

Is your problem the badgers being shot? Or would that be ok provided they weren't being obliterated at the taxpayer's expense?

Possibly more derailing but...

what is making me squirm a bit is the attitude of OP, deciding of her own accord that the woods are not well-managed. The British Empire has a long history of looking at places, sometimes entire continents, and deciding that the inhabitants are not managing them well, and that it would therefore be ok to just take some stuff from them.

This is the bit of historical referencing that keeps being left out especially when people seem quite happy to place themselves in the underdog position of the non-land-owning classes.

' it would only be a case of about half a mile of walling'

Only half a mile of wall? Are you very rich?

Tunip I think he's Brian Aldridge

More misinformation from OP regarding minerals.
In Scotland minerals are a separate tenement of land, which means they can be held on a separate title. Coal etc is excluded under the various coal acts as are silver and gold which fall to the Crown as regalia.

Who Owns Britain's Land

Some interesting statistics on the link above about land ownership.

It is difficult to find recent information about land ownership, but according to this link the Forestry Commission and the National Trust are the two largest land owners in Britain. How can you say that this is unethical?

It makes interesting reading as the Crown Estates come in at number 6.

You know what I'm on team Mis, I completely and utterly disagree with her politics but she's been so calm I'm the face of all this piling on.

Although a badger nest is such a happy, laughter-snorting idea and shooting dogs that pick blackberries

I don't understand why there is a problem with some people being able to afford land. It comes across as having a massive chip on the shoulder or sour grapes.

We don't own a lot of land because we can't afford to, but I don't care that my next door neighbour has a much bigger garden than me.

Proof positive the OP is just on the wind-up:

and for people to use less fosil fules

when of course it should have been fewer fosil fules.

Sadly no-one picked up on it (except me, just now, obviously) so he/she had to complain about "girls" piling on in a bit of a vacuum.

ThatBloodyWoman- but collecting your own wood keeps you warm three times over! Once when you collect it, once when you saw it up, and once when you burn it. To think that people pay good money for gym memberships .

BTW, were you burning said wood on an open fire? You will lose most of your heat to the outside world if you do that.

Annie, "less" is the only thing not wrong with OP's sentence. In meaning and spelling.

I reached for my keyboard to reply... and put it down and went and made .

There's no fule like an old fule.

Dammit, rumbled.

No, campfire, stubborn.
I lived very close to the land!

Is that stirring stick cadged from a private wood? Hmm? Hmm?

Nice.....(but chilly!)

Land used to all be free, until someone carved it all up to hoard for themselves. If land was still free now maybe we wouldn't have to all be working such stupid hours wasting our lives doing a job we don't like

So are you about to give up your land for the masses, so they don't have to waste their lives, working stupid hours, doing a job they don't like?
Are you going to donate it, or will you hang on to it, because you've worked hard for it, but still think it's okay to take from someone else, to subsidise your own lifestyle? Because you're entitled to what you have, but no-one else is? Hmm? Hmm?

And will you ignore this post, as you have with so many before.

I dh own 8 acres of land. We've obviously nicked it from the people. How rude of us, we must give it back immediately. Who do I write to?

We are going round in circles here. I don't understand the OP's logic.

The OP's logic is difficult to follow because she has bifurcated her proposition.

As someone said upthread, we could have a good discussion about the nature of property, ownership, etc etc. OR we could talk about whether it is right to take things from private property. But because she has coopted arguments from one in order to defend the other, people who might have supported one argument still are undecided about the other and vice versa, or people just get annoyed at the illogicality of the argument as a whole.

*ownership of land I meant

Too tired to be writing on a Friday night

I know Bunbaker

If land was still free now maybe we wouldn't have to all be working such stupid hours wasting our lives doing a job we don't like
Land that's free for all to tend or not tend as they decide but which will totally sustain family lives?
I can't get my head around that let alone the rest of the thread.

We own a small piece of woodland, a couple of acres at most.
The reason we saved up and bought it was to stop anyone else buying and potentially wrecking or developing it.
It's left as a natural haven for wildlife including badger, foxes, hedgehogs, deer and wild boar as well as rabbits, squirrels and a multitude of birds including spotted and green woodpeckers and occasionally turtle doves. There are obviously lots more species living there from insects through to other mammals, but our priority is to leave them in peace to live their lives and contribute to the overall balance of nature with the natural vegetation - something which is sadly neglected in policy making.

If and when we move from where we live the wood will be conveyed with a restrictive covenant that it's to be kept and if that couldn't be guaranteed we'll leave it to our children instead.

The country needs these special spaces.

My family own a lot of land, we can't just take any bit of wood that lies on the ground for firewood as most of it is now an ecological habitat. Maybe that is what your 'mismanaged wood' is.

Lots of animals seek out a home and call it theirs then fight over it eg ants, meerkats, birds etc which humans did and still do - tribes claimed land and defended it or sought to take off others by force - we luckily worked out other ways of dividing the land - it's much more relaxed going to your home and not having to fight off people who want to take it off you especially as it is truly survival of the fittest/strongest/most aggressive.