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indyref 14 - the one with the polling day

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StatisticallyChallenged · 18/09/2014 09:14

Come on in, sit down, and chew your nails with us.

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PhaedraIsMyName · 18/09/2014 09:52

And like all the Yes posters ignoring Salmond's disgraceful attempt to coerce the Principal of his alma mater , which is relevant.

MorrisZapp · 18/09/2014 09:52

Thanks Rooty. I have a nephew who has managed to secure a paid apprenticeship at the age of 17, with a major engineering firm. They'll send him to college, teach him in house, and at the end of the four years he'll be earning decent money and have a very good chance of a permanent job.

This is gold dust, the careers equivalent of a lottery win. It's what I would want for my own kids.

We've gone badly wrong with our attitudes to further education. Churning out millions of media studies graduates is pointless when there's no need for their skills and no jobs for them anyway. Would my school leaving self have accepted that though, is another matter. I wanted to leave home and uni was the way.

StatisticallyChallenged · 18/09/2014 09:52

Public celebration is, imo quite inappropriate when the topic is this divisive and the result likely to be very close. Friends are planning a referendum celebration party -if they start crowing in a celebratory manner they may become ex friends.

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flippinada · 18/09/2014 09:52

Well, this is it. I'm a bag of nerves this morning and didn't sleep well last night. Thankfully DS is off school (inset day) cos of the referendum. Off to cast my vote later this morning.

rootypig · 18/09/2014 09:55

Preaching? I am having a conversation with Morris, that s/he seems to be interested in.

Next time you have an admissions policy for a thread, please state it up front.

Freddie, I'm not going to read 13 threads, no. I came on here and made an initial point, and the discussion has gone in the direction it's gone in - certainly not driven just by me. If you don't want anyone to say anything other than that they're shitting their pants either way, why are you here?

WhatWouldFreddieDo · 18/09/2014 09:55

I have one very confident prediction for today: the GDP for Scotland for this 24 hrs will be a wee bit down Grin

rootypig · 18/09/2014 09:57

That sounds amazing, Morris, well done him. I would delighted at the prospect of that for my DD (though she's only 22 months Grin so the world will be different again for her)

Hadn't see that story, Phaedra. (And to clarify, am not a yes voter - I have no vote.)

Er no, I don't really care, why shouldn't he try to convert her to the cause? Academic independence my arse. She has a budget and a job to worry about, is all. Doesn't make her right.

Speaking of Independence, I'm not minded to believe articles in English newspapers talking about bullying and intimidation in the yes campaign either. I've seen enough bullying and intimidation by government (and I've worked in it, Westminster, civil service, agency) to know Mr Salmond has no monopoly on it.

I trust him actually. Not what he says - of course he's talking out of his arse, to a huge degree how independence works out depends on how Westminster and Brussels allow it to (and the EU politicians I've heard dishing out tough talk because they fear their own constituencies, should be ashamed) and we just don't know. Mr Salmond knows that, and I'm pretty sure most of the yes voters know it too. But he's hardly slick. Slick is what I worry about.

StatisticallyChallenged · 18/09/2014 09:58

It's not an admissions policy it's a polite request.

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rootypig · 18/09/2014 09:58

Well then this is for you Freddie

www.nytimes.com/2014/09/17/upshot/you-cant-feed-a-family-with-gdp.html?_r=0

AuntieStella · 18/09/2014 09:59

"What happens if it's a complete tie?!?"

There was a separate thread about this. It's so unlikely that there is nothing in the Edinburgh Agreement about this possibility. There is provision for a general Elections to toss a coin or draw lots (but that's never been used, thou it has for council elections). There would be recount hell, then someone (who?) will have to decide something (what?)

MN preferred solution, BTW, at the moment is a broadsword duel between the two campaign leaders Grin

"Everything here is really tightly strung, will be glad when it's over!!! When are they announced?"

Results expected 6-7am tomorrow.

EarthWindFire · 18/09/2014 09:59

Her partner has decided to vote yes as he wants the English bastards scums (meaning us, everyday people) to get to fuck..... My mum has English grandsons and sisters living in England for over 30 years....

What a lovely chap Shock

rootypig · 18/09/2014 10:00

Statistically, Morris and I are I think having a conversation. Does that scare you?

If s/he asked me to stop talking to him/her, then I would.

rootypig · 18/09/2014 10:01

At this point when you don't have a vote

This is the key point, isn't it?

Ach don't worry, I'm off to bed, it's 2am here. Night all.

StatisticallyChallenged · 18/09/2014 10:02

Oh wind your neck in will you. I didn't say don't have a conversation. I didn't say don't discuss education. I asked you to look at what we've discussed and try to not preach. I stand by that. We're 13000 posts in.

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FrankelandFilly · 18/09/2014 10:02

Polls are open until 10pm, so theoretically some areas could return as soon as 10.45.

AnnieHoo · 18/09/2014 10:03

I was thinking last night that if it's a Yes I feel for the young people who won't get the chances I did like choosing to work in Italy and freely move around the EU.

ChelsyHandy · 18/09/2014 10:03

Phaedra I think academics, as much as anyone else, are probably in fear of their jobs or loss of promotion if they come out and back the No side. The St Andrews principal is just the one that spoke out. You know how the Scottish Parliamentary committee treated the professor in Constitutional Law from Glasgow University.

I see Scotland more and more similar to a controlled Soviet State.

MorrisZap what we need is the schools producing students to university in a fit state to be educated at that level, in terms of sound SPAG, essay writing and exam sitting skills and without the need to be spoonfed.

flippinada · 18/09/2014 10:05

Is anyone else feeling thoroughky politicked out?

Lots of my friends on FB (yes folk) are full of excitement about this. I'm absolutely dreading it. It's like that awful sick, pit of your stomach feeling you have of waiting for something terrible to happen.

ifyourehoppyandyouknowit · 18/09/2014 10:06

All but a couple of my husband's family live in Scotland, and so far seem pretty split on what they want. It worries me that a yes vote and any subsequent bad feeling will make it hard to see our family. But maybe there wont be any bad feeling either way. It's nerve racking, even as someone who doesn't have a vote.

MindReader · 18/09/2014 10:07

It is weirdly quiet around here.
I live by a very busy road and there is almost no traffic today so far.
Is everyone having the day off to vote?
Blinking odd.

ChelsyHandy · 18/09/2014 10:08

SpiritedWolf So the last 40 years or so? I think a lot of fabulous things have happened in the last 40 years or so. I might not be thrilled about neoliberalism and damage to the environment either but people seem to forget or take for granted: Greater pay equality for women, decent maternity leave, some paternity leave, minimum wage, civil partnerships, equal marriage, child benefit and child tax credits, better medical care, less industrial pollution, green energy, cleaner water, increased life expectancy, the internet, technological advances, creative industries, taking domestic violence and child abuse seriously....

Yes, and virtually all of that is due to our membership of the EU and its commitment to the Four Freedoms, and its pre-requisite of signature of the European Convention on Human Rights.

The EU is founded on neo-liberal principles, in fact it is the epitomy international action of neo-liberalism, as it is all about opening up competition between the member states, liberalising the market and removing barriers i.e. state controls to trade (the "single market"), and is based on Adam Smith's basic principles.

So if you want socialism and don't want neo-liberalism, you can't have the EU. I believe North Korea has expressed an interest in negotiating with an independent Scotland, so maybe that's a possibility instead.

LegsOfSteel · 18/09/2014 10:08

Never seen the polling place so busy - queue out the door.
One police officer. Two canvassers - one Yes, one No both chatting happily with each other. Very civil.

AnnieHoo · 18/09/2014 10:10

Yes flippin . It's hard at work today. Brazen yes voter bouncing down corridor saying "well I'm just DANDY!". Others are v subdued.

Tinkerball · 18/09/2014 10:11

It is pointless complaining at this stage that Scots not living in Scotland don't get a vote - the time for this would have been 2 years ago when it was agreed between David Cameron and Alex Salmond. It would have been a logistical nightmare to try to organise.

There was a queue outside my local station at 7 am according to my DH, when I went at half 8 it had settled down.

MajesticWhine · 18/09/2014 10:11

AnnieHoo, I would doubt that will be a problem, surely there will be freedom of movement within the EU for Scottish citizens, given their intention to full EU membership?