To think that a Yes vote means that England and Wales will be condemned to Tory Rule forever more..?

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Am starting to feel a bit worried as Scotland seems much more left wing than England. So if they vote Yes, are the rest of us going to be forced to live under Tory ( or a Tory/UKIP Government) forever more..?

If so, I'm bloody moving to Scotland!

We can only hope! Gotta keep the Labour scum out all costs!

YABU. There have only been a handful of occasions when the Scottish vote has been decisive in swinging it for Labour when it would've been Tory otherwise.

The North and really urban areas are going to suffer.

The Tories only give a fuck about London and the Home Counties - which is fine if you live there.

I'm a Scot living in England - if I lived there I'd vote Yes but because I live here I'm 'crap don't go, you'll leave it to the Tories forever'

There have only been a handful of occasions when the Scottish vote has been decisive in swinging it for Labour when it would've been Tory otherwise.

It wouldn't matter who Scotland voted for in a general election, because of the differences in population it will always be whoever the majority of England votes for who will get in power. But at least Scotland could return a lot of Labour MPs...if its a Yes vote, well this wont happen obviously.

Everything counts - it's not you that's the selfish one, that would be the people voting to sell the rest of the UK down the river. A yes vote is a vote against social justice for all - and a scary large number of people seem fine with that.

This is about Scotland, not the UK. Imo if the Labour party hadn't supported the No vote, The Yes campaign would be much stronger.

And if the yes campaign win, all parties will be involved with Scotland's evolution and future, not just the SNP.

Gordon Brown has shown the least integrity in this of all people involved.

Of course it's about the UK. The idea that it's not. That's an excellent example of the selfishness and 'I'm alright jack' attitude that has come to the fore.

England and Wales will get the government they vote for. Surely that is a good thing.

Yes Bowlers, but it will change the political landscape un r
UK dramatically, although it could do with a bit of a shake up anyway.

Sorry Rabbit, I mean this SHOULD be about Scotland not the UK. Sadly the rUK have decided it is their referendum too.

The Tories only give a fuck about London and the Home Counties - which is fine if you live there.

This is not true about London and it pisses me off. London is left-leaning (38% Labour last election, I think, and 20-something Tory).

I live in London and don't feel that the Tories serve it well. It is not 'fine' for me at the moment.

If anything I wish to God London would go independent and leave middle England to its Ukippers.

London's troubles are brought about by inequality and the migrant labour required due to high housing costs. I.e. You can't settle down here but you can earn money and send it 'home' whilst saving on cheap accommodation. You earn more than in your native country but less than the Londoner demands in order to make ends meet.

The housing crisis is a result of UK government lending policy and its London-centric distribution of jobs and wealth. Without the finance sector in London the regions would be more equally prosperous and the Scots youth wouldn't have to move South to make a living.

IScotland would shake it all up. NoScotland will mean the madness will continue.

This worries me too, I want them to stay so we aren't stuck with the Tories. But I can see why the Scots want out, I would probably vote yes in their position :(

Lol at the implications of Londoners being tory fat red faced types living it up. London votes Left for one thing, and the majority of Londoners have a crap life of low wages, high housing costs, long commuting, overcrowding, dirt and pollution. If people want independence from London they obviously haven't thought about the financial implications as much of London's wealth goes to support the rest of the UK.

Too right, code.

I genuinely fear for an independent Scotland. It's a tiny economy and in a globalised world, smaller and smaller countries/economies don't make sense.

I can see that the LibDems will become more important, this might not be the last coallision we see.

Hopefully, this experience (promising the moon, then finding themselves in power and actually having to think what was deliverable, particularly within a coallision) will help the LibDems develop more realistic policies, and therefore be more electable. Labour are still pretty much in the wilderness, losing scotland might well knock them in to an navel gazing downward spin, we might well need LibDems to get their shit together and be the other major party.

But we haven't had a tory government for many years.
The financial crisis, depression and illegal wars happened under Labour.

The problem with a democracy is that you get what you voted for.

Tony Blair would have romped home with or without Scotland.

My ipad wants to call him Tiny Blair.

I genuinely fear for an independent Scotland. It's a tiny economy and in a globalised world, smaller and smaller countries/economies don't make sense.

Actually, it's sort of the other way around Of about 200 independent countries, around half are smaller than Scotland. Seven of the ten wealthiest countries in the OECD have populations of less than 10 million, including 4 that are very similar to or smaller than Scotland. Looking at life expectancy, education and income, half of the top 20 countries on the UN Human Development Index have populations of less than 10 million - including five that are smaller than Scotland.

This referendum has irrecoverably changed UK politics.

YES: - Cameron will have to go, as the May 2015 election will be about the parties promising to get the best deal for the rUK. Something the Tories (as the party that lost the Union) would be in fourth place for.

NO: - The May 2015 election will become about trying to persuade the rUK to vote for a party which has promised more for Scotland. And where's that "more" coming from ? Who here will vote for a party which is going to take more from them, so the Scots can continue to have their free universities, prescriptions etc.

Oh, and that promise that Scotland can keep it's health system in public hands. Does that mean that here in rUK we're NOT going to keep our health system public ?

Either way, I think the myth of a permatory government (which sounds too much like purgatory to be a coincidence) is starting to look busted. Bear in mind UKIP can can happily campaign on a platform that they promised nothing.

"London votes left, for one thing"

O RLY?

Does that mean that here in rUK we're NOT going to keep our health system public ?

Its already pretty much privatised. NHS is just a brand name and funding stream.

Somewhere like Norway has a small population and is rich, but that's largely because unlike Scotland they have their own domestic oil industry.

They also have high taxes, and I wonder how well that would go down in an independent Scotland.

The problem with a democracy is that you get what you voted for. sallying, absolutely, not to mention the other oldie-but-goodie about democracy being the worst option apart from all the other worst options. Frankly, that's the grown-up world.

I voted for Tiny Blair God forgive me and once he and Labour were in power I moaned about them as much as the next person and almost as much as I've moaned about Major/Brown/the ConDems. Whoever is in power people will moan.

YES - Cameron will have another decade of power as the Scots have a lot of labour voters.

Boulevard, thank fuck, the crucial difference is that Boris is (for now) only mayor and not actually running the country.

And I'll repeat that in general elections, yes, London does vote left.

But you're not wrong; Boris is someone to be very very scared of and otherwise sensible people are weirdly susceptible to his buffoon act. Once he gets his feet under the table in Ruislip I do genuinely fear for what might happen.