To think the Scottish tourism industry is going to be hugely affected by the referendum, whatever the outcome

[Bearbehind]

Just been reading some of the indyref threads and it made me think about the affect on Scottish tourism, mainly from English tourists,

I know it's only one factor in the grand scheme of things but it seems damned to me whatever the result.

There is such an anti English sentiment at the moment I don't think many English people will be rushing up there for a holiday will they?

astoundingly arrogant and completely wrong to be fair Bear - that comment could just as equally be applied to many of the posters here who are determined to insist that things are not as we posters in Scotland are repeatedly telling them that we find they are. You know, being the ones that live here and all.

But heyho - this argument seems doomed to go round and round in circles. One thing I will give you though is that yes, Scotland is sometimes too cold to visit. That alas could definitely be said to be true in my neck of the woods today. Not much we can do about that though sadly...

...the entire No campaign is built on. Fear, threats and patronising bullying?

Oh hang on, that's the Yes campaign isn't it? Pulling down posters, postering Yes posters over Nos in peoples windows, constant shouting down and cat calling when Nos are interviews, the rent-a-mob that pops up whenever a camera comes out. Encouraging 'young people' to nag their elderly relatives into vopting Yes. Then calling it 'hee hee emotional'.

It makes us look like a nation of dumb thugs. Whatever happens today/tomorrow its a fucking embarassment.

I'm not frothing and getting worked up at all celticlass. I'm asking a valid question.

I don't want anyone to bite but it seems you are doing just that.

Jus because I wouldn't have chosen to holiday in Scotand anyway doesn't mean I can't see that there's a danger the Scottish tourist economy will loose out because of the referendum.

Bear - and the difference between coming for the weekend but not a holiday is????

Actually, please don't bother. Ever. I think our tourism will be just fine without the likes of you deigning to visit for the weekend to be honest.

Oh, and the weather doesn't instantly change the minute you cross over the border. Idiot.

The handful of incidents you describe are no worse than the intimidation shown on these threads.

I'm talking about the politics. Remember that?

Crikey nicename - not sure where you're living but that sounds awful. We've been fortunate I guess that the campaign seems to have been conducted in a very reasonable, considerate manner up here on BOTH sides. In fact, the only shouty, abusive people I've come across are some of my No voting friends on Fbook over the last few days but hey, they're entitled to their opinions and I can always just hide them temporarily till the dust settles.

As for making as look like a nation of dumb thugs - I guess if people are determined to tar all people of a nation with the same brush as an abusive/unpleasant minority then there's not much we can do about that, eh? Doesn't make it true, fair or right though.

Bear really, more shouting down again? It's not attractive and puts people right off the No vote. Be my guest and drag your campaign into the mud.

sleepyfergus get over yourself.

I didn't say the weather changed when you go over the border I said it was too cold for me choose to holiday there meaning I would rather go abroad to somewhere hot.

The handful of incidents you describe are no worse than the intimidation shown on these threads.

I'm talking about the politics. Remember that?

No your not you have been involved in a fair bit if mud slinging yourself.

Bear really, more shouting down again? It's not attractive and puts people right off the No vote. Be my guest and drag your campaign into the mud.

What planet are you on daughterdilema?

I've repeatedly said I'm not on either side.

Eugh.

WTF was the eugh for?

It is you who has tried to turn this thread into a Yes / no campaign.

I've said more than once I have no allegiance either way and my point was that I believe the damage has been done whatever the result.

I've repeatedly said I'm not on either side

Now - at least have the courage of your convictions Bear. You're very clearly against Scottish independence surely? So on the side of the Nos. And that is absolutely your right to your own opinion. Or have I misconstrued pretty much every post you've written?

honey if anything I am for Indepenance as I think the Yes campaign is so close to getting what they want it will be very difficult to find any kind of harmony now if it's a No.

I don't know what will happen if it's a Yes, because there are so few facts but I think it might be best in the long term if Scotland does go it alone.

What a bizarre thread. 'I don't like a place. It's cold and I don't care for the people and I'd never go there. Therefore, no one else will, either.'

Don't like a certain place that you don't have to go to? Don't go then. The rest of the world may disagree.

Bear there are about 100m Scottish people living around the world. Their sense of nationalism will be fired up by this debate.

It maybe, however it doesn't automatically make them for independence.

Interesting points Bear, thanks. I think there's a huge amount of uncertainty all around just now. But one thing is inevitable - there WILL be change whatever the outcome of today's voting. And that's the part I think some (though by no means all) of my NO-voting friends don't seem to grasp. They want to retain the status quo and admit to being scared of change - but that horse has already bolted so slamming the stable door now will make no difference. We just need to each decide on what we feel is the best way to manage the change and look to the future. I for one am equal parts hopeful/petrified! Time will tell...

i don't like a place. It's cold and I don't care for the people and I'd never go there. Therefore, no one else will, either.'

Where have I said I don't like the place and I don't care for the people?

I think Scotland is a beautiful place but choose to holiday in hotter climates.

I also haven't said I'd never go there.

Am I not allowed to think that tourism has been harmed by this referendum just because I don't holiday there?

Sure. People are allowed to believe that Elvis is alive, that killing people in the name of religion is okay, that Nigel Farage is the saviour of Britain, that Marmite tastes nice, that 50 Shades of Grey is a good book, all manner of stuff.

rainbow no one has come on here and said they're forward holiday bookings are at the same level this year as they were last year (Bogqueen didn't reply to that when I asked) but there has been someone who said they're bookings are way down.

I'm more than happy to deal in cold hard facts rather than subjective views but there haven't been any facts that prove IBU.

Their not they're x 2!

Singing aye aye I've just voted aye!

It might be hard to tell though if bookings are down as a result of this, or just the general economic climate. We stayed in a beautiful cottage in Yorkshire this summer, and the landlady there said her bookings had been badly down this year compared to previous ones.

I said earlier in the thread that I wouldn't go to Scotland for a couple of years if there's a yes vote, just to see how things settle.

If things are then okay we'll do a week, possibly walking around Ben Nevis .

Whatever the decision let 's hope Scotland remains a safe and prosperous country .

I live here and it's hard to see how tourism won't be affected tbh.

I think Scotland's reputation as welcoming and outward has been damaged (and maybe damaged further).

It isn't what makes a country attractive, is it?

I'm rather sad about it all today. I rather feel the likes of Donald Dewar would be turning in his grave.