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To think the Scottish tourism industry is going to be hugely affected by the referendum, whatever the outcome

538 replies

Bearbehind · 17/09/2014 08:42

Just been reading some of the indyref threads and it made me think about the affect on Scottish tourism, mainly from English tourists,

I know it's only one factor in the grand scheme of things but it seems damned to me whatever the result.

There is such an anti English sentiment at the moment I don't think many English people will be rushing up there for a holiday will they?

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Thebodyloveschocolateandwine · 17/09/2014 08:50

Wales is much more beautiful anyhoo! Grin

jacks365 · 17/09/2014 08:50

It won't stop me visiting such a beautiful country and it has the added bonus of publicity to people abroad who may only think of London when they think of the UK.

Coffeethrowtrampbitch · 17/09/2014 08:53

There is very little anti-English sentiment from the Yes voters I know. My dh and my sister's dh are English and are voting Yes, it is not about being opposed to the rest of the UK, just trying to do what's best for the place we live in.

If the media are giving the impression that the Yes supporters are anti-English I hope people will see over time that it simply isn't true.

Hoppinggreen · 17/09/2014 08:54

I think you are right and on one of the indyref threads a lady who had a holiday cottage said her bookings were really down for this year.
Whatever the outcome I will be put off going there due to anti English feeling I could face. DH was called a. " fucking English Bastard" last time he went when he went to the bar and ordered a drink ( not by barman)!!

Bowlersarm · 17/09/2014 08:57

It may stop English people visiting, but has probably raised the profile of Scotland worldwide.

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DaughterDilemma · 17/09/2014 08:58

YABU

DaughterDilemma · 17/09/2014 08:59

Lol there has been anti English sentiment for hundreds of years, that's why we are here now!

Bearbehind · 17/09/2014 08:59

I guess we are only seeing a small cross section of what's really happening but talk of English registered cars being vandalised and people with English accents being verbally abused would make me think twice about going there.

I agree it's only English tourists I'm thinking of.

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fairyfuckwings · 17/09/2014 08:59

I agree. I was thinking about going to one of the Scottish islands for the easter holidays but after reading about all the hatred towards the English I've booked a holiday in Wales instead. There's so many nice places to visit that for me, it's just not worth the hassle.

WiseGuysHighRise · 17/09/2014 09:01

I agree. From the point of view I want to support the UK tourist industry and if Scotland isn't in the UK it doesn't get my money.

Bearbehind · 17/09/2014 09:02

there has been anti English sentiment for hundreds of years, that's why we are here now!

But it hasn't been as evident as it is now which is why I'm suggesting it will adversely affect English people choosing to holiday in Scotland.

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IrnBruTheNoo · 17/09/2014 09:03

When we had devolution, jobs were apparently doomed, the future was meant to be so so bleak for everyone. But no, here we are, it's no worse than anywhere else years later. Lots of scaremongering.

Tourism will still be thriving regardless of the referendum outcome.

After all, we've got WHISKY!!

LatteLoverLovesLattes · 17/09/2014 09:03

It may have raised the profile of Scotland worldwide, but not in a good way.

Yes, tourism is suffering and will continue to do so. It's a real shame.

grovel · 17/09/2014 09:04

From the Scottish Government website (up to 2013):

Overseas and Domestic Tourism Visits to Scotland

"The number of overseas visitors to Scotland rose by nearly 17% between 2005 (2.4 millions) and 2007 (2.8 million), but has since declined by around 12% to leave the total in 2013 2% up on that in 2005 (2.4 million).

The number of domestic tourism visits to Scotland has fallen by around 18% since 2005 (14.9 millions), although this comparison straddles the change from a UK base to a GB base and should be treated with caution. There has been an increase of about 1% since 2009 (12.0 millions).

The number of combined (overseas and domestic) visits to Scotland in 2013 (14.6 million) was down 16% on the 2005 total (17.3 million)."

My DS was told to f**k off back to England three times at the Edinburgh Festival this year so I'm pretty confident that this Scotland-loving family won't be back in a hurry. Real shame.

DaughterDilemma · 17/09/2014 09:04

If anything it will damage the English tourist industry after sneaky underhand way they have behaved and seeing the nastiness on threads like these. Had a lovely holiday up there this year, will definitely be going again despite being a sasanach. But I will be choosing yes voting properties only if that is possible.

Yesholidaylettings.co.uk might be a good venture.

silasramsbottom · 17/09/2014 09:04

I live in Scotland and have heard of very little anti-English sentiment and have seen absolutely none. My DH is English.

TroelsNextCampaignManager · 17/09/2014 09:05

I've lived in Scotland, have family there, would occasionally talk about going back to live and work - but seeing this campaign has really put me off and family members are likely to move in the event of yes, so less and less reason to go back tbh.

An American paper or journal said something along the lines of 'independence will be great for American tourists because it will be so cheap' (inferring likely economic weakness). That's something of a mixed blessing.

Equally, when the dust settles Scotland may see that "nastiness" in the campaign has been reported in other countries, including the US, and brand Scotland has taken a bit of a battering which may actually deter tourism not only from rUK.

IrnBruTheNoo · 17/09/2014 09:06

Haven't heard any anti-English sentiment at all, and I've been out and about. I live in Scotland and always have done and I've got English relatives too.

The referendum is NOT about hating English/Welsh or any other nationality. It's about self determination being a guarantee with independence. Please don't confuse the two things.

tabulahrasa · 17/09/2014 09:08

How would you know where a car was registered?

DaughterDilemma · 17/09/2014 09:09

Perhaps they will start getting gated resorts like they do in Jamaica et al. This scaremongering is laughable. I hope people see it for what it really is.

The Scots are good at business, they are not going to drive away people who pay their wages. They might dispense with timewasters though who bring nothing to them but cheap labour and that can only be a good thing.

TroelsNextCampaignManager · 17/09/2014 09:10

Tabulah some registration plates will include the name/location of the dealer, or the car may have a sticker from the dealership on the rear window. I think that's what happened with the MNer on the other thread.

OneNight · 17/09/2014 09:11

It's about self determination being a guarantee with independence.

I'm afraid that there are no guarantees and there will almost certainly be no 'independence' IrnBru.

itsmeitscathy · 17/09/2014 09:11

You look at the number plate tab! The first two letters tell you if it was registered in Scotland or not.

Bearbehind · 17/09/2014 09:11

If anything it will damage the English tourist industry after sneaky underhand way they have behaved and seeing the nastiness on threads like these

Eh- how do you reach that conclusion?

For a start- no one on here is being nasty - just talking about their views

Secondly, the Scottish tourists visiting England make up a much smaller percentage of the total visitors to England than the other way round, simply because there's a lot more people in England.

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