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Am I being unreasonable to want Britain to take military action against ISIS?

I am disgusted that British aid worker hostage David Haines has been murdered by ISIS or ISIL or whatever they wish to call themselves. This is a barbaric act by a savage evil group that are becoming as sinister and threatening as Hitler and the Nazis.

All nations, West and East, North and South, including genuine Islamic nations that agree this dark evil cancer must be stopped, must come together as one to fight and end this horrific movement.

My heart goes out to the families of David Haines and the other murdered hostages and anyone else suffering under this disgusting group. I pray for you all.

I am sure all genuine religious and other groups with civilised and decent values such as Christians, Muslims, Jews, Sikhs, Budhists and others will be appauled at what ISIS is doing and will want an end to this evil acting under the pretence of Islam.

Thank you UncleT. I agree with you

Alisvolatpropiis I am pleased to hear that

Poor op, these threads never end well.

Is there any need to be so smug because maybe you know more about it than she does she is clearly upset and wants to vent and chat.

Op My heart tells me yes, send in all the armies from all over the coalition and take them out, not innocent civilians being bombed randomly but ground troops led by the ME armies.

Islamic countries sending in armies to deal with them is the best thing, pref from the same sect as them.

My head however from a little bit of reading about it, tells me a western led coalition would be what they want - us against them.

Its such a complicated and frustrating situation but I agree, they need crushing as soon as possible but of course, it would be great if this could be lead by islamic countries so its not turned into a religious war.

I feel for all the poor people having to live under isis, being targeted by them, but its those women and children taken by them that harrows me the most. where are they now, what has happened to them?

Isis is more than an ideology. It is an actual group, with a leader, that is taking over parts of the middle east

I quite liked the Australians pm take on it, wouldn't call it ISIS but simply murderers.

Thanks Knitted, and no, not being smug

I agree. I have never advocated on here that we just go in and bomb all over the place. it needs to be a bit more intelligent than that

Also agree that Islamic countries need to take a big lead on this and I also expect condemnation of this group to come from Muslims all over the world. I was glad to see in the paper this morning young muslims carrying placards saying "Not In My Name"

Knitted. Yes good weeze. The world should call them by a name that doesnt include Islamic as they are definitely not of the Islamic religion. The Murderous State would be more accurate

Yes murdering bastards would be a good name.

Wasnt there some suggestion early on that it was America that was arming them and possibly trained them. Their money supply needs to be cut off asap. Brilliant to see muslim condemnation of them in the mainstream news today.

I know a lot of Muslims who are absolutely distraught and angry at the actions of these utter utter bastards.

This is a group of extremists funded by other ruling powers in the world. Going to war against the Islamic State would be like going to war against those countries, except it would be a war by proxy.

Those countries (whoever they are - Israel, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Turkey - there are suggestions all over the place about who it is) have a long and complicated history in the middle east where it is not as straightforward as just telling them to cut off ways they could be funding the extremists.

It was not covered so much in the press, but the Islamic State tried to invade Lebanon in August. They invaded the border town Arsal, but were fought back over the border by the Lebanese army. The Islamic State did, however, take Lebanese hostages. They kill those hostages too - in the same way they kill the English and American hostages - but not publicly or on videos, because they know that the Lebanese people do not react in the way the west does.

The Islamic State is tailoring its campaign specifically to frighten people in the west, by playing into things they are scared of. The east doesn't feel the same way. Do you think China is scared by IS? Russia? North Korea? They're not Muslims either (according to IS' theory all not Muslims should convert or be killed) but IS have no interest in them. They are not after "world domination," like they enjoy the west thinking.

In the case of Iraq, they started off as something different and evolved slowly into the Islamic State - they are only going to be performing terrors acts.

I agree they are a threat and that they are barbaric, but war against them is not the solution this time. Intelligence, strategy, education and the resolution of deeper issues within Governments in the west and the middle east, is the solution.

and if there is a heaven and hell, all these stupid recruits to ISIS are going to find themselves surrounded eternally by burning flames rather than young virgins!

Volley2014 I agree. this needs a much more intelligent strategy than conventional war tactics as the whole situation is very complex.

It is scary how close to the doorstep of Europe this is.

I have noticed how countries such as China are left alone as they dont bother themselves in world affairs apart from trade and business and they probably have vast amounts of their own resources

Countries such as China left alone? No. Maybe proportionally they don't get as much Islamist terrorism as one might expect per their size and population, but they have not been left alone. Although it's significantly rooted in Uighur nationalism, the fact is that has been a strong Islamist terrorism contingent taking advantage and mounting disgusting attacks like the railway station knife attacks recently. Search it if you haven't been aware of it. Pure, horrendous terrorism at its very worst.

As a postscript, it occurs to me that much of what goes on inside China actually isn't very strongly reported in our media as a rule. There are of course occasional exceptions.

Thanks UncleT. that has been an education.I did not realise. this just goes to show its even worse than imagined

Boko Haram running riot in Nigeria, the Nigerian army largely useless against them. Libya, on the Mediterranean, in chaos with numerous Islamist militia groups and terrorist gangs killing each other and falling into a perilous state of vacuum in which trouble will flourish. Egypt in turmoil. Syria - well, we know what's up with Syria right now, and Iraq. Somalia still messed up. The Caucasus still with a significant (yet different these days) insurrection problem. China we covered. Bali bombings, London bombings, Madrid bombings, the list goes on and on. IS have a long way to go yet, as does the overall threat to us all.

YABU.

Assad is far worse than ISIS, has slaughtered many, many more people then ISIS, has tortured more people than ISIS, destroyed vast sections of Syria and forced millions to flee.

Yet he's been allowed to do this, unimpeded for nearly 4 years.

That there are people on here trying to defend Assad is absolutely disgusting.

The Syrian people peacefully asked for reform, the regime started slaughtering them

Sorry, how is it being unreasonable to want action against ISIS just because Assad is a shit? I will never understand the logic that suggests you shouldn't do anything about a terrible thing just because something else a bit more terrible also exists. In any event, ISIS are not better than Assad, and in fact represent a far, far wider threat with global implications if left unchecked. It's not just a question of numbers killed so far.

I want to know what's happening here to make young people want to go and fight for ISIS. What are they being told, how are they being recruited? There must be a wide circle of people who hate the West, in this country right now and we need to find out how to stop them. Supposedly nobody knew these kids were going off to be terrorists, they were just gone one day, so how were these people getting to them without those closest to them knowing?

Uncle T Assad hasn't killed numbers, he has killed people. Human beings like you and me.

While Assad is in power, Syria will be in chaos. He has lost control of the country and despite massive support from Iran and Hezbollah, has not been able to get it back. In such terrible circumstances, ISIS will thrive, regardless of what happens to stomp them out.

There's also the fact, that until very recently, Assad never fought ISIS and were happy to let ISIS attack other Syrian rebels until very recently.

Extremists groups like ISIS prosper and grow during strife and destruction. Leaving Iraq in the hands of an inept sectarian ruler and Syria to years of war are the reason ISIS exist. You have to sort this problem out at the roots, not trim the edges.

I pity

The difference is that the Assads are not psychopathic like ISIS. Like you said, they're a cruel, thieving, brutal mafia and there's no doubt that Assad caused the crisis - but he's not crazy.

I'm sorry for your family in Syria. I stayed with a Druze family on the Golan heights last summer. Although they were traditional Assad supporters, they were shocked by the brutality. On the other hand, as a minority group considered heretics by Isis (and the nusra front - Isis was less an issue last year), they were also terrified of what the rebels would do to their relatives in Syria.

Assads are not psychopathic? You sure about that?!

Re the origins of instability in the middle east, I think the uk and US have to take some responsibility for that. Did anyone else read last month that edward snowden had leaked that the leader of isis was a non muslim trained by mossad and isis continued to be funded by america? I dont know if this is true but I'm beginning to believe it more and more. Isis are doing much more damage to the religion they are supposedly protecting and they are doing this deliberately.

Cut off their funds, their support, their publicity. Then work on education and dealing with the youngsters who are going out there. Are they so completely alienated and disenfranchised from society that they are being so easily brainwashed? How? Why?

only solution is if the rich middle eastern countries (Saidi, UAE, Qatar, Iran etc) to do something- only they can, and they wont will they? its very worrying but I dont think the UK dropping a few bombs will acheive much

Assads are not like ISIS

dunno about that, allowing a vast troupe of people that you pay to torture people to death in your name is pretty psychopathic non???

No, its cruel and evil where anything goes in the name of self preservation rather than some irrational and deluded religious fanaticism. Morally they're probably worse (as they have no religious ideology to hide behind- they know what they're doing is wrong) but at least they're rational and not totally bonkers.