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Church attendance and sport

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FrootLoopy · 15/09/2014 08:21

If you are a firm believer in attending church regularly, how do you square this up with your desire for your DC to play a sport regularly, when that sport happens to fall on a Sunday morning?

DS1 loves a particular sport (DH has passed on his passion for it) which isn't as common as others, and all the clubs around here seem to do training for it on a Sunday morning. Next school year (or perhaps even birthday if they allow mid season starts) he will be old enough to start training at the clubs. Games don't actually start until he is a few years older though.

But I run Sunday club for half the month, the DC attend it with me, both DH and I are firm Christians and do lots of extra duties at church. The church is quite central to our lives in the community.

I'm finding this difficult to square up. I know there are evensong services (CofE) but they're not the same as communion services at 10 am and we don't have them at our local church so would have to go further afield anyway, the 8 am services are just too early and too 'plain' for the DC - and for me tbh.

We used to attend a cathedral, but have moved to a local parish church when our DC were old enough to understand things, so that they could be part of a church community.

There aren't a lot of other children at church, so if mine suddenly don't attend I think the Sunday school would close, tbh.

But I really want him to play this sport, and if he doesn't start training at the same age as other children, he won't ever have the chance to progress in it.

How do others deal with this?

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BigChocFrenzy · 15/09/2014 12:02

I'm another one whose parents decided we would attend church every Sunday as a family.

From about age 7, I really resented being forced to attend. I accepted (but disliked) attending school 5 days per week, so I HATED losing basically a quarter of my free time at the weekend.
Regardless of how interesting Sunday school & church could have been made, that was MY time.

From age 11, I point-blank refused and was too big to force. I haven't attended any church since. I became an atheist at about 16.

combust22 · 15/09/2014 12:02

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BigChocFrenzy · 15/09/2014 12:06

When your DS comes to the rebellious / independent stage, he might resent like hell the fact that you removed his options for that sport, because you didn't let him train earlier with the others.

Find a way to fit in both.

niminypiminy · 15/09/2014 12:07

But by the same token, when he gets to the rebellious stage he may give up on the sport that you sacrificed all that time and money enabling him to do.

TryingNotToLaugh · 15/09/2014 12:09

And then he can go back to church niminy Grin

HelenaQC · 15/09/2014 12:13

Which would equally be his choice, Niminy.

HenriettaTurkey · 15/09/2014 12:26

Our family growing up was one where church was a given. In fact, from the age of 12 I had church youth group Saturday night, 2 church services on Sunday (10.30am & 7pm) and a youth house group midweek.

I remember being collected early from school sleepovers to go to church in the morning. This also meant I had to go to sleep early at the sleepovers so I was awake enough for church the next day. I never really bonded with people at school as there was little opportunity for me to socialise with them. I was always involved in something church related.

When we went on holiday we would seek out the local church on a Sunday. Other holidays were camping with church groups.

It's not that I didn't enjoy it...but it was just not an option to not go. Like school.

I don't go anymore. I'd probably find it easier if I'd been allowed more freedom growing up. Let DS go to the sporting activity: trust him.

FrootLoopy · 15/09/2014 12:38

Oh dear, the OP here.

I had MEANT to post this in philosophy and religion. Not quite sure how I managed to post in AIBU....!!!! But hey ho, I have (flak jacket donned!!!) and will now try to answer some of the questions. Apologies if I have missed any out, and apologies if anyone thinks I'm drip feeding.

DS is 7, the sport in question is hockey (grass hockey in case any Americans are reading this and get confused!), they play from 8. (Sigh... this may well out me, time for a NC soon I fear)

I grew up in a very evangelical church, hell and damnation, can't miss a Sunday for anything type of thing. I resented it like crazy, took a long time to find it in me to forgive my parents and the rest of the church for it. Probably still carry a chip on my shoulder from it, but have tried my best to overcome it and move on.

My nephews were very good at football/soccer (different country, not as big a sport there as in the UK) but because their clubs played on Sundays, they couldn't move into weekday club sport until much older, and stopped playing before they reached that level because they simply weren't up to scratch compared to their fellow players who had joined teams. I watched this happen quite sadly, but my DSis was adamant that Sunday mornings was for church and that was it. Luckily they don't seem to be resentful of this.

I do NOT want this to happen. It's NOT going to happen. My question is, how do I manage it? How do I square it away within myself? (And in the spirit of where I managed to post - AIBU to try???!)

DS loves church, he loves sports, he loves school. He's actually very easy going in many ways.

DH travels quite a lot, some of it will encompass weekends, lots of it not planned further ahead than a month or two - not easily compatible with a school, church and sports diary which is set much further ahead. So while I had thought about alternating weekends, there are many times that this wouldn't be possible. I may be able to share lifts with other parents, no idea. We're not there yet.

Church services during the week - DS goes to an independent school, his days finish later, 4.30 without clubs, 5.30 with clubs. I also have a DS2 who is a couple of years younger. They are very tired during the week, and I don't think it would be fair.

We will miss out church services occasionally for parties, to visit another church, visit friends or because everyone is exhausted and I think we need a quiet day. So I'm not fanatical about going each and every week, but I would prefer that we USUALLY go weekly.

The 8 am service, is fast, no singing, only a few older people attending - so no, I don't think it's a suitable service to be taking DC to on a regular basis. Occasionally, sure. Regularly? What a way to put them off church for life! DS LOVES singing, btw. Communion services - we have a once a month family service that doesn't have a communion, and I do feel slightly cheated. So I would prefer to find a service that had communion, but would consider occasionally going to the 8 am service on my own, or a weekday service on my own for that (I am also licensed as an Assistant to the Eucharist, and am on the rota for that too). But I do like the blessing which children get in the service, I love that it's personalised because our Vicar knows my DSs. Evensong services - I feel more of a spectator than a participant in these. But if it was that or nothing, then I would take it. Personally, I would prefer it if my DSs waited until they were confirmed before they took communion.

There is NO chance of an afternoon children's service. I had to fight to get Sunday club reinstated, and am having to run it myself as it is.

There is a youth group which at the moment isn't running for DS1's age group because there is no one to run it. Again, I have been trying to find someone to run it. It will help, but even when that gets going, it doesn't really take the place of a church service, but does go a long way to maintaining the sense of community around the church.

But in all of this is DS2, who is too young for hockey club, too young for the youth group, but has to be included. For him there is only Sunday Club, so if it stops, he misses out. He is also hockey mad (Thanks DH!!!), so in a couple of years he will also be joining up, so this is only a temporary difference - although I guess there might be differences in training times on Sunday, again, don't know yet.

DH does training with them, that is how they have become hockey mad. He will continue to do training with them, has done sessions at their school, will do more. But they will need more than that.

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WiseGuysHighRise · 15/09/2014 12:45

Hakluyt

I do think we have to know how old the child is.

I think anyone over about 9/10 should be able to make their own decision about going to church. And about going to rugby training.

In fact, I've just invented a rule of thumb. If you're old enough to be left at home for an hour, you're old enough to decide whether you want to go to a church or not.

Agree with this.

HelenaQC · 15/09/2014 12:50

Hockey? Brilliant!

How do you square it away with yourself? Spiritually?

Seems to me that what you are saying is that you are not prepared to "force" him to go to church and abandon his hockey, but that you are uncomfortable about you, as a family, not having the quiet, weekly church attendance that you all enjoy/need.

If he likes church, then he has a tough choice to make. But life is full of these choices, isn't it? Seven seems plenty old enough to have a say, IMO.

He may choose church, OP!

In terms of how you square this with yourself, I don't know. But there must be some other option for family worship time that doesn't involve being in a specific building at a specific time on a specific day?

God is everywhere, I believe!

But I can see this is a dilemma. No different really to having to give up any family time occasion for outside interests.

Hoppinggreen · 15/09/2014 12:50

Dino I totally get that your church is vibrant and fun and full of people of all ages, that's great and I do hope it continues but can't you at least try to see that if your children don't want to continue and come to see your Church as getting in the way of the weekend activities THEY want to do then it might cause issues.
You have chosen to live your life that way and there is nothing wrong with that but you seem to have Rose tinted spectacles on about it. Not everyone want to spend every Sunday doing the same thing and your DC's might not.
I would guess that a lot of children at your DC's school ( or future school if they haven't started yet) will have activities on Sundays and if your children are unavailable every single Sunday how long before the invites stop as there is no point?
I genuinely hope your idyllic Sunday continue and they do sound lovely but you really need to face up to the possibility that they may not as your children get older.

HenriettaTurkey · 15/09/2014 12:54

Whatever you decide, FruitLoopy, you sound as though you have your head screwed on.

And your family sounds well balanced and lovely.

Make a decision as a family: if it doesn't work, then change it!

FrootLoopy · 15/09/2014 12:58

Dino - I have to agree with the others, what you describe is what my parents would have described - and I REALLY resent them for it - they just can't get their head around why I refuse to attend churches with the same ethos as theirs, they just don't see the damage they caused... Sad

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FrootLoopy · 15/09/2014 12:59

Thanks Henrietta!

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Doodledot · 15/09/2014 13:07

Go to 8am or another service - that's what we do

vdbfamily · 15/09/2014 13:07

We have the same dilemma. I actually emailed the president of our County rugby club and explained the situation and asked if there were any Saturday clubs around. I had a really lovely email back to him confirming that there weren't but basically saying that at primary age that it is really inportant to have a balance of stuff going on in life and that if attending church as a family was important he would encourage that to continue and that when my son got to secondary school there would be plenty of opportunities to do all the sport he wanted both during and after school. I don't think the guy was a Christian but I really appreciated that he 'got' how important it was to us. And for all those of you going on about 'indoctrinating' kids.....remember you are doing just the same thing with yours!!

Hakluyt · 15/09/2014 13:10

I haven't said anything about indoctrination. I have said that a 9/10 yeqr old should be able to choose.

Cheebame · 15/09/2014 13:12

Have you prayed about it?

What does God say?

FrootLoopy · 15/09/2014 13:14

I'm not sure I agree Hakluyt - have input, yes. But while they are a child living within our family, church WILL play a part in their life. Their input will be in the WAY it plays a part in their life.

They can make a choice to completely opt out if they really want to when they are older.

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FrootLoopy · 15/09/2014 13:16

I have prayed, Cheebame - but I fear that my head is just too noisy at the moment to hear a clear answer! Or maybe its that I'm supposed to work it out myself, that could be the answer too.

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susiey · 15/09/2014 13:17

Find a church with an afternoon service or midweek service like mine!
I do realise they're rare!

FrootLoopy · 15/09/2014 13:18

Susiey - if only it were that simple. If I could have found one easily, I wouldn't have this dilemma.

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Hoppinggreen · 15/09/2014 13:19

How is giving older children a choice indoctrination????

HelenaQC · 15/09/2014 13:29

I agree totally that 9/10 is plenty old enough to choose.

I have to wonder why some Christian parents want to take this choice away from their children.

Cheebame · 15/09/2014 13:37

If you've prayed and you haven't heard a reply, maybe God isn't that bothered, FruitLoopy? I went to church until I was about 15 because I had friends there. It doesn't sound to me like your DC are getting much out of going though - I don't believe in God, but I understand that those that do believe He is everywhere so you don't need to go to church to 'convene' with Him, so if your DC want to, they can still have a relationship with 'God' without going to church.

It's not the role of your children to keep the Sunday School going.