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To worry about giving daughter this money ?

127 replies

4seasons · 14/09/2014 17:06

Daughter has good job but does not earn enough to buy a house in London .... who does ? She has decided to buy a house elsewhere that allows her to travel into London for work . She feels the need to get on the property ladder and stop paying high rents to someone else . She has asked us to " help" with the deposit . No problem with that, always intended to help her and we have inherited some money recently ( not masses I might add ) . The problem is she has a history of getting through money like there is no tomorrow! She received an inheritance of about £40,000 a few years ago which has " disappeared " . Also she received about £25,000 voluntary redundancy a year or so ago . We have no idea if any of this money from the redundancy remains . Originally she said she was going to put it into savings but we don't know if she did . She is very touchy about her finances being discussed and as she is mid thirties I can understand that having your parents quiz you isn't great . We don't by the way ... quiz her I mean .

Am I being unreasonable to feel very uncomfortable about just " handing over " this cash with no strings attached ? My husband just says we should " sign the cheque" and have done with it . He's never been money - mad or grabby .I suppose I am concerned that we will never again receive a nice sum of money as an inheritance and also that we have no way of knowing if we will need money in the future .... for our nursing homes !! Also , I feel that if she really wants a home of her own ( she is single by the way ) then perhaps she should share some of the financial " pain " .... if that makes sense. This is not an inconsiderable amount of money ...£27,000. We have both worked hard all our lives and until very recently never been given a penny by anyone else , nor expected it . I feel really terrible even asking for your opinions because I know I shall give it to her eventually because I want her to be happy and secure. Your thoughts please ?

OP posts:
Itsfab · 14/09/2014 17:30

That is a ridiculous amount of money to have been spent with nothing to show for it.

You have every right to know how her finances are when she wants YOUR money to buy HERSELF a house when she has had £65,000 for FREE and has squandered it away.

I would help but it would be cast iron just for a deposit and I would not be a guarantor.

ajandjjmum · 14/09/2014 17:31

I wouldn't be pussy footing around - I would tell her that I am concerned about her budgeting capabilities, having spent her way through a small fortune.

Having said that, if after budget/discussions etc. I felt able to help her, I would give her the money rather than go through a solicitor, as I wouldn't offer it without having re-gained trust in her capabilities and intentions - if that makes sense!

HermioneWeasley · 14/09/2014 17:32

She's got a cheek asking for a deposit when she's burned through at least £40k, and then to be touchy when you ask about her finances!!!

Your first responsibility to her is not to be a burden in your old age, so if you don't have money set aside for care fees etc, then you need to put towards that before you help with a deposit. As other have said, she's had the opportunity (£65k!) to get on the property ladder and squandered at least a big chunk of it.

Loveloveloveher · 14/09/2014 17:33

Totally agree with what others have said. Any money you give should be straight to the mortgage company.

If she wants your help she needs to be upfront about where the other money has gone and be prepared to write up a budget with you. If not then keep your money and treat yourselves!

I'm your daughters age and remember how hard saving for a deposit was but don't think you're doing her any favours by handing over more cash if she's been irresponsible with the other chances she's had.

TeenageMutantNinjaTurtle · 14/09/2014 17:34

The real risk you run here, is paying her deposit and then her not being able to keep up mortgage repayments and losing the house plus your deposit.

I wouldn't want to run this risk with someone who has proved themselves to be financially irresponsible without understanding their finances in depth.

Interest rates will go up at some point and she needs to be able to cover an increase in mortgage payments etc.

Tough one OP....

Itsfab · 14/09/2014 17:38

"On another note, she may feel like you withholding the money is a way if being controlling of trying to influence her decisions, so try to be clear that you won't interfere and try to bully her into anything because if the money you're contributing, hopefully this will set her mind at rest."

Tough! She has wasted £65k, the OP has the perfect right to make sure that thousands of pounds of their money will be wisely used.

outer · 14/09/2014 17:44

Maybe you could remind her that she's pissed almost three times what she needs for a deposit up the wall in recent years.

It would be a big fat no from me, on reflection.

diddl · 14/09/2014 17:45

I wouldn't worry about it-i just wouldn't give her it!

FishWithABicycle · 14/09/2014 17:45

Given that she has had big lump sums before I think it would be reasonable for you to only allow her to use this money in some kind of shared-ownership-investment type deal, not just gift it to her. You may well be in a position of needing funds in 5 or 10 years time - and it is entirely possible that house prices will increase over the same period to the extent that she is able to refinance the mortgage and release this capital. You would still be helping her a lot, but this is your money not hers.

TheRealMaryMillington · 14/09/2014 17:46

Tell her you will "invest" this money in her home and you want your name on the deeds (for now)

Mandyandme · 14/09/2014 17:48

Dh and I raised our deposit by working 3 jobs. If she so wants to get on the property ladder then i would suggest she goes out and pulls pints and stacks shelves. Giving her any more money will be doing her a disservice. Until she realises that money has to earned and the pain and length of time it takes for that money to be earned then she will not move forward.

I would say you will match her deposit made payable to the solicitor dealing with the house conveyance up to the £27000. There is no way I would be giving her £27000 with no strings attached.

TheRealMaryMillington · 14/09/2014 17:49

/Can you afford to just give it to her anyway?

What is she putting toward the deposit herself?

naty1 · 14/09/2014 17:51

Offset mortgage. So saves on interest but you still have control of capital

Also assume she used some to live on after redundancy

kittensinmittens · 14/09/2014 17:53

If she's mid thirties then contextually that's not THAT bad - the 65k?

With the first lot it could well have gone on living expenses. She's living in London and sorry it's expensive (I live here.) the 25k was money for being made redundant - she needed it!

A bit harsh to say she pissed it away!

I'd pay it directly to the mortgage company.

LatteLoverLovesLattes · 14/09/2014 17:53

I would, for starters, want to know how much she has for a deposit.

She might not like you asking - tough. If she is asking for YOUR money, you have a right to ask her about hers.

Frankly, unless she has a good %age of that £65k left, I'd be saying NO. She's pissed her money away, why should you hand over yours??

4seasons · 14/09/2014 17:56

Thank you all. I have asked her for a run down of her monthly spending etc. and she is actually working on it ! I am also not handing over the money except to a mortgage company . Bearing in mind what some of you have suggested I think I am also going to think about saying that the money is a zero percent " loan " which is to be used for house buying only and that if she decides that house owning is too onerous and decides to sell then we shall want the money back . Not too sure if this will need to go through a solicitor.... DH won't want to do this that legally . I am also at some point going to ask ( even if she tells me to take a hike ) what she's done with her redundancy money . At an appropriate moment of course . To be honest she hasn't been " spoiled " as one or two people seem to think . We could do nothing about how she spent her own money after all . The inheritance and redundancy were hers to do with what she wanted . It does upset me though to think of it all being wasted.... although she did pay off her student debt with part of her inheritance . My DH and I have different thoughts on this though , which makes it awkward but he is happy for me to talk to her . His background was very middle class and comfortable .... mine was working class, little spare money to go around and if you wanted something you jolly well had to graft for it . Possibly explains our difference in attitudes.

She used to borrow money for flat deposits etc and then never quite pay it all back. Once I took over from her father though we always got it back ... with a few gentle reminders .

OP posts:
DefinitleySpeltWrong · 14/09/2014 17:57

Do you have other children?

I don't think she can have it both ways - she doesn't want you asking about money but she wants your money Confused. That is not on.

What do you think she spends her money on? Does she 'waste' more money than you and your DH. Does she have a nicer car, nicer holidays a fancier haircut etc etc. If so wouldn't it annoy you to see her living the fancy life at your expense.

We are helping our kids out with university and deposits for houses. They only get the money for Uni if they treat it with respect and they will only get the money for a deposit to use as a deposit. Otherwise there are no conditions. We are very upfront about money though.

kittensinmittens · 14/09/2014 17:59

Why do people keep using the word pissed away?

Rent in London probably works out at over a thousand pounds a month.

Bills, commuting, a work wardrobe, is that pissing away?

I 'pissed away' 20k of my inheritance. I went travelling for a year.

I don't see that as having pissed it away and I feel a bit Confused some here would.

Superworm · 14/09/2014 18:01

She's blown 65k by mid 30's Shock

I would be tempted to say no to the loan. If your DH's attitude is just sign a check, no questions asked, although it comes from a kind place, it's really not helping her.

My friend has a dad like this. She has spent her life living beyond her means. Had to sell her flat in the end to access the equity to pay off her credit card...

CarmineRose1978 · 14/09/2014 18:04

We're using "pissed away" because she has a decent job in London and lived beyond her means, if she was using it for living expenses. Even if she used the redundancy money to live off before she got a new job, she pissed away the majority of the other £40K by the sounds of it.

I went travelling for 6 months and spent £2.5K, money I'd saved while working. Frankly I would consider spending and inheritance of £20K on a year long holiday as pissing it away too. Especially if you were my child asking for another £27K for a deposit afterwards.

LadyRabbit · 14/09/2014 18:07

No no no and NO! How did she burn through that inheritance? If you do decide to lend her the deposit - notice I used the word LEND - I would do as others have suggested and pay it directly to the bank.

I would want to give my DS money for a deposit in the future if it's necessary but only if I felt he really valued that A) I had worked hard and saved for it to happen and B) showed himself capable of sound financial sense.

DrCarolineTodd · 14/09/2014 18:07

I can't imagine being spoilt and useless enough to waste 65k and demand more. I think you should donate it to charity instead frankly.

WeAllHaveWings · 14/09/2014 18:08

If she has blown £65K already I wouldn't be sending good money in after bad. I'd want to know where it had gone and if she's frittered it away the consequences of that is no buying her own home.

Alternatively tell her to save up and you'll match whatever she saves up to a certain figure and it all goes into the deposit.

Tutt · 14/09/2014 18:08

Touchy about her finances but not about your's!!!
Daughter or no daughter 65k in a few years with nothing to show as it appears I wouldn't give her a penny HOWEVER if she can become honest and open about her finances then I would think about meeting her half way.
But to be honest IMHO she doesn't deserve it if she has a good job and this 65k... that is above and beyond what most get.

WeAllHaveWings · 14/09/2014 18:08

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