To think its ok to tell voters that businesses will move south if its a yes?

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If these businesses do intend to shift south of the border if its a yes, shouldn't the voters know this is a possible outcome? Why is it considered unfair for this information to be out? Can somebody please explain? Am I being a bit dense?

Ok so we have a flag. What about the 'big alex' and the 'wee yin' for currency? As in "that'll be 2 big alex and 76 wee yins please, missus, aye".

Quite frankly if this vote was happening anywhere else we'd be demanding that the UN be sending in observers to ensure a fair vote - If we hadn't demanded that they stop the vote until people knew what they were actually voting for. How can people legitimately vote yes or no when they don't know what the actual consequences of either of those votes will be given there are so many undecided massive issues, let alone all the smaller issues...

As it stands how can they call it a legitimate vote?

Zipzap the point is that a new Scotland creates its own future. Of course the future is unknown, you make it, you work it out as you go along.

It can't be mapped out, it will go the way the Scots decide it to. If they vote no it will go the way the English want it to, like it has for the past 300 years.

The Eastern bloc countries went through the same, a leap into the unknown. They are all now doing absolutely fine.

England has been politically negligent and insulting to Scotland in the past, the financial crisis began with Thatcher deregulating the banks and the global boom and bust that followed. This is an opportunity for Scotland to get away from all that.

The Eastern bloc countries went through the same, a leap into the unknown. They are all now doing absolutely fine.

I would certainly argue they are 'doing fine'!!!

Ah yes Daughter - the Eastern bloc, I hear everything is going especially swimmingly in the Ukraine

What exactly do people think will happen differently if devolution happens?

Will buses run more frequently, schools be more plentiful, council houses bigger, benefits better, sun hotter? I'm fed up with the 'oor own destiny!'. Oh it will stop global recession, so that's ok then...

What about going to war in the ME? Well that's be brought right home today hasn't it, which richly demonstrates that terrorists don't distinguish between one white western face and another. But its ok. We will have our claymores and dry sense of wit when the bastards start setting off bombs in shopping centres.

Noone gets the government they want. I see enough local politics when I go home to see that there is plenty of arguments going on in the scottish parliament.

I can't see how that shower could make the 'big' decisions? Can you imagine the SNP in talks with IS? International leaders giving them the time of day ('hmmmm, we need to start brokering peace deal, who shall we speak to first - america, russia, china... Scotland - who?").

Eastern europe - oh yes that all went well. Create a handful of zillionaires, massive corruption and political instability.

So many people who don't usually get involved in the day to day nitty gritty boring politics are now jumping at the emotive vote. You can't change the country/world with one tick on a box. Get your arses off the bench and get into local politics. Join a party or working group. Get on the board of a charity or local environmental group. Start a bloody local enterprise or entrepreneur club. Don't just wave a sodding saltire, paint your face and channel med-sodding-gibson.

Well said nicename

I agree.

Have to applaud that, nicename.

I am bloody proud to be a Scot. Anywhere I have been in the world I have been proud to say this and people have always been very friendly. Crappy to the english, germans and americans (plus whoever their last war was with).

My son is a proud scot too and was rummaging for flags today.

I am not proud of the indignity that some people have shown. It has been a revelation. We used to debate politics over a pint in the pub - people now issuing death threats??? This is far worse than the secterianism I remember in the 70s.

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Just see what JIM SILLARS said yesterday re 'A Day of Reckoning' for any businesses that supported NO when the vote goes YES...

And, EVERYTHING that NiceName says above. The voice of reason and common sense. Well said NiceName.

Jim is a twonk.

I vote that everyone tomorrow goes out and volunteers for a community/charity project. Make the community you want from the ground up. Don't wait for pie in the sky promises from politicians - they are all the same. Business rules, and the man in the street pays for it. That is the nature of politics and the global economy. We've been screwed by the tories and labour, not to mention the middle lot. The same will happen with the snp, ukip and any other colour you choose.

The Ukraine has been invaded by their old dictator, Russia. The rest of the Eastern Bloc have accessed The European Union and have the stability that lies therein. Scotland will have the same, except it won't be invaded by its old dictator because a large chunk of the British Army is made up of Scots.

The likelihood is that Scotland will ally more with the Scandinavian countries in terms of strategic power.

But if you want to continue to get shafted by the Bullingdon Boys and their spendthrift banker buddies, sink with them into their self-made economic swamp then vote No.

Best answer to Jim Sillars was the boss of Iceland. His piece on Channel 4 News the other night was excellent.

Agree nicename - being involved in local politics is where you can really make a difference.

I worked with refugees during the breakup of Yugoslavia. Neighbours turned against each other and there were winners and losers - and no-one likes to lose what's theirs - not without a fight. Things are still not very good there, especially for the poor.

Scotland wouldn't be like that - don't want to scaremonger - but people will have to fight it out in the new land to get/keep a share of the resources. The idea that it will be lovely and amicable is I think misguided

My Polish friend is just back from a home visit and says thay people are shit scared that russia will march in. But is that OK as its an 'old dictator' coming 'home'?

Have you forgotten good old Gordon (what a bloody disappointment) Brown? How many Scots have senior jobs in the City? Quite a few actually.

England/Wales/NI haven't been 'occupying forces' in Scotland with boots on the streets and secret police on every corner.

Why believe that a scottish parliament would be any less buddy-biased? Have you met these people? Or people in business? Its how it works - its how the world works. It isn't Mother Theresa running the country.

By the way - the Ukrainians in The Crimea do not feel that they have been invaded. It is the rest of the Ukraine that does not want to lose them because they are so strategic.

(A bit like if The UK tried to keep Scotland by force and by getting the EU and the US to gang up with them)

They were independent for years NOT part of the Ukraine. They were part of Russia until 1954. They voted to be part of Russia, they speak Russian.

Obviously I have oversimplified but it the West and EU that wants to keep the Crimea in the Ukraine and on "our" side.

That doesn't apply to all Ukrainians in the Crimea, many of them do feel invaded. You shouldn't generalise like that. It's a bit like wanting to stay with Ukraine but being forced against their will to become Russian,

Nicename you have a point about what exactly will be different if devolution happens, well it won't be all that different. The only thing that will be different is that the Scottish people will be able to decide how things change. They will be able to decide on their own economic policy and their own welfare policies, defence and overseas, environmental, etc. their decisions will take effect more quickly and with more understanding of their impact.

People say prices will rise, but wages may also rise. They could also go down. The key is that you as Scots decide how things work. There might be job losses,there might be far more job gains.

And if it all goes pearshaped there are plenty of nations prepared to help out and of course the European Union.

But frankly it couldn't be more of an economic disaster than it already is.

But if you want to continue to get shafted by the Bullingdon Boys and their spendthrift banker buddies, sink with them into their self-made economic swamp then vote No.

Enough with the stereotyping!!!

large chunk of the British Army is made up of Scots.

I would beg to differ if you are talking in terms of regiments. You would have to define what you mean by 'large proportion' though

And if it all goes pearshaped there are plenty of nations prepared to help out and of course the European Union.

Are there? That's all right then. Wouldn't be so sure. Scotland would have to be a part if the EU too which isn't guaranteed at all.

We're not talking about "devolution" here, that happened 15 years ago.

Good post Earth ^^

We're not talking about "devolution" here, that happened 15 years ago.

I agree but I do think this is how some think it is. If it goes wrong rUK will have us back or others will bail us out. People need to understand what they are voting for