Indyref 9

[IrnBruTheNoo]

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you said you worked for RBS in an earlier thread?

Anyway stop dodging the issue. I actually do have some respect for you, so please respond.

TBH, I reckon they'll just be scrapped.

Even then, it can't be scrapped overnight.

No assets no debt.

No international respect or confidence, but that's by the by...

No I didn't. You said you thought I worked in the same place as your husband from which I thought you knew where I worked. It was only later you said where your husband worked.

I've actually said previously that I don't work in banking.

The difficulty that I see in negotiations is that people in Scotland, including politicians, may have been soothed by the fairly conciliatory attitude of Westminster to date. If there is a Yes vote (in particular a close one) then subsequent negotiations would be hardball indeed. Be you the finest politician in the world, you can't go into that sort of thing with no real ammunition.

"Yes. I personally think the Yes campaign overestimate Trident's importance. The rUK cannot be forced to move it until they have somewhere safe to take it."

But rUK would have very rapidly. Expensive perhaps, but the recent(ish) agreements with France open up the possibility of using existing military facilities in Brittany.. Or they could be temporarily berthed in USA until proper solution found. Either way, achievable between now and spring 2016.

sturgeon is very shouty in the big big debate

I wish galloway wasn't there

But anyway. I've said upthread that I don't actually trust the statement as I've been on the receiving end of statements like that before and they've been balls. I also think that depending on how you read it, it could be interpreted as the change of brass plate location in itself does not mean it's an intention to move jobs rather than we're definitely not moving jobs - a subtle difference IYSWIM?

And imagine just how annoyed the electorate of rUK will be when it has to pay for the costs of separating the economies of iScotland and rUK.

Statistically, please stop dodging. You have been arguing constantly about the decimation of Edinburgh's financial services sector. Today has made it pretty clear that it's not anywhere as grim as you have been painting. What do you have to say about the announcements today?

Doesn't that make you questions his honour, his honesty? He wants to force 50+ million people for a newly foreign currency into something they don't want. If they don't do as he says (because it is the will of the Scottish people, apparently) he won't take his share of the debt.

Astonishing.

I just answered you!

Should read "newly foreign country"

< Note to self. Don't do eBay and Mumsnet at the same time>

deedeee Statistically, please stop dodging. You have been arguing constantly about the decimation of Edinburgh's financial services sector. Today has made it pretty clear that it's not anywhere as grim as you have been painting. What do you have to say about the announcements today?

You know perfectly well that no-one really believes that.

Yes supporters like to argue that black is white, and would continue to do so even if Scotland were plunged back into a new Dark Age by independence.

Actually, all High Heid Yins are like that for BS - it's part of the job description I think.

Look, I'm sure the staff at RBS are feeling reassured and good for them. I'm not one of them though, and I'm not.

He said that there is "NO INTENTION" to move jobs. Tha is a very strong statement. DO you want him to personally guarantee it forever? Regardless of whatever happens? of course he won't. There are no guarantees anywhere in life or business.

I am disappointed in you. I thought you were clear headed. You are so entrenched in your beliefs that you can't see when your fears are allayed. I suppose that's understandable when you are as obsessed are you are at the moment.

But please, stop constantly misleading lurkers on this thread that FS services in Edinburgh will be decimated. That is just your fear. There is no evidence.

i know perfectly well that there is NO EVIDENCE to back up your fears and believes Chelsy. that is all.

Well indeed OneNight, that is very true. I'm not the only one on this thread who says they've had statements about that and then a few months later...

Yes supporters seem to be allowed to say everything every produced that's anti independence is lies, nonsense, false, will be revoked, not certain...well, I am too sometimes.

Standard Life said they'd move operations didn't they?

RBS is one company Deedee. One. A big one, but one company. My fears are not even remotely allayed for very good reason, because I don't work for a darned bank.

I'm perfectly clear headed, ta. Not even had any wine.

If I started a list of your unevidenced fears I'd be here a very long time.

Are you wanting evidence now, deedee?

What about evidence that Salmond will get the currency union he is demanding? He is repeatedly told no but won't listen.

What about evidence about the oil running out?

There is plenty of evidence, including about financial chaos in the event of a Yes vote. But you only accept certain kinds of evidence.

If you look closely, really closely, you will see that the Emperor isn't wearing any clothes.

its not a fear. My DH meets high ranking people in the banks weekly, and is on the phone to the BoE all the time.

His job is very specialised and therefore in a 'yes' vote, if the banks go, he will follow.

I take it that everyone's seen the latest poll that shows the vast geographical majority of Scotland sits typically over 50% No 38% Yes, the rest undecided? And that No voters are much more strongly represented in the central belt, excluding Edinburgh, the Lothians and Glasgow?

Also that the No vote is more strongly favoured by women, pensioners of both sexes and young people of both sexes?

Imagine a country which ended up voting for independence on a 1% or 0.5% majority, where the largest swathe of its regions had voted against it. That would be pretty much a nightmare I should think. Imagine the enmity that would arise if people lost their jobs, homes and businesses as a result of independence, being told by someone in the central belt that they must "retrain".