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To want "No Thanks" referendum posters to be available

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GreenPetal94 · 31/08/2014 14:12

My street is overcome with Yes posters and so I thought I might put up some "No Thanks" or "Better Together" window posters. But there are none available on the Better Together websites, and so I searched further. Just nothing easy to printout out that is even A4 big. Meanwhile I find a whole load of Yes posters and these are easy to come by, on and off the internet.

Apart from the large Union Jack down the road, the No voters are remaining signage free.

Am I unreasonable to want Better Together campaign to have thought of this.

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SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius · 07/09/2014 18:04

The whole thing is stressing me out. I can feel the depression coming back, full force - and it is the uncertainty of it all - what will the result be, and whatever the result is, what will be the effect on us - our house's value, dh's job and pension, the dses' education etc etc etc. Will we have to move south?

I am having nightmares about it now, and am going to have to extend my therapy because I am coping so badly with all of this.

And yes, I know how wet this makes me sound.

LovleyRitaMeterMaid · 07/09/2014 18:22

The better together campaign justice hasn't been as good really. It's more top down than the grassroots movement within the Yes side.

My local better together has only had 3 street stalls out over the last 6m. Yes have been there rain or shine every weekend with a stall full of car stickers and window posters (amongst other things obviously). I know this is representative of a lot of areas. So it stands to reason more people have the posters and stickers because they've have been out there handing them out.

I haven't seen eastenders in two weeks. I've been out knocking doors and on stalls.

And I'm at a loss as to where this 'to scared' shite has came from. I've been at the raw end of some pretty nasty no supporters. There's arseholes all over. I got my windows egged. Jim sillars has had death threats. You don't see the daily mail giving that a headline.

Janexx · 08/09/2014 12:03

The fallout is happening already with the stock markets away down due to one relevant poll which says the NATS are in the lead. A taste of what's to come if Scotland alienates itself from the rest of the UK and that's only on speculation. As long as you know your voting NO who cares about stickers. There's far more important issues to consider,like the future of our country.

BookABooSue · 08/09/2014 12:28

the stock markets away down

I think you'll find it was 1% - hardly a drastic fall and it's to be expected that the market will fluctuate until the referendum takes place and there is certainty over currency.

It's also worth noting that if both sides had come together and agreed what the currency would be if 'Yes' were successful then there wouldn't be this uncertainty. They are obviously willing to accept a fluctuating pound and create confusion over currency rather than put in place a firm foundation so everyone would know what they're voting for and the pound would not be adversely affected in the meantime.

StatisticallyChallenged · 08/09/2014 12:53

To be fair it's not really Westminster who need to do that. They've been pretty clear about their position for a while now

Agree markets are just jittery due to uncertainty, nothing more

BookABooSue · 08/09/2014 13:19

Statistically I really think the currency issue should not have been polarised between Westminster vs Holyrood because ultimately it does a disservice to the electorate and the economy. Also, if Scotland does vote for independence then all the main parties will be invested (pun intended Grin ) in finding the best solution for the UK and Scotland.

It's just one of my disappointments over the entire campaign. imo it's focused too much on drawing lines and creating divides rather than pooling expertise to ensure the electorate can make as informed a decision as possible.

(DISCLAIMER - I realise I sound incredibly idealistic, expecting politicians to work together rather than fall into two distinct campaigns!)

StatisticallyChallenged · 08/09/2014 15:14

The problem is that currency union probably isn't for the best for RUK and the public don't want it according to polls. Westminster can't dictate what an iScot would do it can only say what it would agree to.

BookABooSue · 08/09/2014 16:50

I think there would have been less uncertainty in the markets if, at the point where the decision was made to hold a referendum, the parties had worked together on a definitive answer to the currency question. The markets would have been less likely to fluctuate and that would have benefited both rUK and Scotland.
As it is, the uncertainty is going to have an adverse impact on the pound in the short-term, and if Scotland votes 'yes' it will also have a destabilising effect for a longer period too.

lisalou43 · 09/09/2014 16:26

Go to the Better Together official site. Scroll down and you can print a No Thanks poster, in fact you get about 6 of a different colour if you have a colour printer. x

Janexx · 10/09/2014 12:56

BREAKING NEWS:

CHEIF EXECUTIVE OF BP OIL BOB DUDLEY SAYS THE OIL COMPANY IS SUPPORTING THE NO VOTE.

SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius · 10/09/2014 13:09

Ds1 was in a bank in Carlisle the other day, opening an English bank account, and the bank employee who was dealing with him told him they have had a lot more people coming from Scotland to open English accounts recently than they usually do.

Oil companies have been buying property in Newcastle, ready for a move southwards.

Janexx · 10/09/2014 14:48

It's Scttish business who trade within Scotland who are urging people to vote yes because they know the higher tax brackets aren't getting touched in this proposed "independence" and middle and lower bracket earners will suffer. Personally my family doesn't have loads of money and savings. I am worried about my own and my husbands hard earned pension money which will suffer in the hands of the NATS and I don't care if its not a Nat vote,they are in power just now and I've no proof they won't still be in power in the future,so right now it would be a NAT vote. Thinking about the banking system,the currency,pensions and health service,I'm voting no and trusting more powers within a more devolved Scotland within our own parliament which already exists.

unlucky83 · 10/09/2014 18:58

As to be afraid to admit you are voting yes ...DP has just had a conversation with his boss -
DP (EU citizen who has lived and worked here for 15 yrs - in UK for nearly 25yrs) is going to vote No. SNP may want immigration but he thinks Independence and uncertainty about EU may adversely effect his rights to benefits if anything happens to him /pensions etc.
His boss asked him which way he was going to vote...he was non committal, worried about giving the 'wrong' answer. He asked his boss how he was going to vote. His boss said Yes and DP must vote Yes, you didn't want to be a No voter. DP (thinking he was joking) said another employee said he was voting No. His boss told him seriously that was a big mistake - if the Yes vote won there would be a list of No voters and they would be made to leave the country Shock Sad.
I've reassured DP that it will be completely anonymous and that's rubbish ...and his boss isn't typical of all Yes (or No) voters...but I'm still Shock.

SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius · 10/09/2014 19:19

I am genuinely worried that, if there is a majority for the No vote, there will be some Yes campaigners who will blame No voters like me for taking away their dream. I hope that they would accept the verdict of the referendum, and not make it personal, but I fear there could be a lot of bitterness.

StatisticallyChallenged · 10/09/2014 19:32

That's disgraceful unlucky83. Utterly awful.

unlucky83 · 10/09/2014 20:09

SDTG - that's why I'm keeping quiet -I don't talk about my intentions in RL and it is anonymous. I do think that if it is close whoever wins there may well be bad feeling as emotions are running high already.

Statistically I know - I'm still shocked about it...
I thought he must have been joking but DP is convinced he wasn't...what worries me more is that are quite a few 'foreign' (EU) employees working there and some might actually believe him...
But then I think some of them might well feel like they have nothing to lose anyway - most of them have few attachments here and as EU citizens they can move to another country (eg rUK) easily if they had to. But DP is settled, we have Scottish DCs, own a house - it would be much harder for us to move.
And I do think his boss is a bit of an idiot anyway ...

Janexx · 10/09/2014 23:25

There is a week to go and ive said all I want to say on the suject before I vote. Never before in our democratic country has anyone ever been afraid to voice there opinions on how they were going to vote in an election and why.When the electorate are afraid to speak up for fear of repercussion that means we have no personal independence anyway,regardless of whether you vote yes or no. The important thing is to listen to the political agendas, take everything into consideration and above all vote for all the right reasons. Personally I have accepted we may get a yes vote,despite the fact I'm a very strong believer in a United Kingdom,with more devolved powers leading to a more federal government for all the regions of Great Britain. Whatever the result ,we must accept it with grace and continue to do our best as individuals and families throughout Scotland and the UK.

Janexx · 10/09/2014 23:39

Arghh! Why isn't there an edit function,even for a few minutes! I hate writing there instead of their etc & when in a rush its so easily done lol

Goodnight all and I hope everyone gets the outcome in the referendum that they are wishing for.

SquirrelledAway · 11/09/2014 08:08

Janexx it's hardly breaking news. Most of the big oil companies are supporting a No vote. Given declining yields, increasing costs and aging infrastructure, the UKNS is going to require a lot of investment over the remaining 50 years of its life, plus a buoyant oil price. The uncertainty that comes with a Yes vote and the likelihood of turbulent times is not what is needed.

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