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To report friend to FB for photo of her blacked up?

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Greyhound · 31/08/2014 11:48

I'm really shocked - cousin of mine has pic of herself on Facebook blacked up. She is white. The picture is of her at a fancy dress party - she has covered her face in dark brown stage make up and is wearing an "Afro" wig and Rastafarian style striped hat.

Her husband is also blacked up.

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Greyhound · 31/08/2014 17:27

I've just remembered - years back, I played a Chinese peasant in a production of Turandot. We didn't have yellow make up on or are eyes made up to look oriental but we did have black wigs in a single plait running down our backs.

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Greyhound · 31/08/2014 17:28

I do have time on my hands but am a firm believer one can never have to much Grin

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Sallyingforth · 31/08/2014 17:29

It was banned in Japan for many years, wasn't it?

It was, yes. But now it is considered quite respectable, particularly as much of its satire is actually directed at the English.
Feelings obviously change there just as apparently they do here.

ilovesooty · 31/08/2014 17:29

too much time on your hands
The bingo card's filling up just nicely isn't it?

Greyhound · 31/08/2014 17:31

Ha ha yes, the bingo card - I'll be told to "get a life" next Grin

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JanineStHubbins · 31/08/2014 17:31

But now it is considered quite respectable

Have you read any of the links posted, Sallyingforth?

Maisyblue · 31/08/2014 17:33

By being offended by this or thinking others might be too...is it not suggesting that a black person is somehow distasteful. Obviously some people would find it offensive but then some people would find anything offensive.

Lorelei353 · 31/08/2014 17:36

Sallyingforth it's not up to you to decide if it's problematic for the cultures being appropriated. You feel it's okay at a fancy dress party but not another party. Good for you but others don't.

It's like when women tell men that street harassment can be scary and very unwelcome but they're told 'you're wrong, it's flattering because that's how we intend it and we think it's fun'. We're not wrong and you can't tell others it's ok.

If those cultures feel unhappy about it then that's how they feel.

Love white people telling others what they're allowed be offended by

Terrierterror · 31/08/2014 17:37

I think you need more time on your hands Greyhound because someone needs to educate the ignorant posters on this thread.

Greyhound · 31/08/2014 17:42

Thank you Terrier Smile

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seagull70 · 31/08/2014 17:54

the definition of racism is:

prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one's own race is superior

So before we can decide whether she is racist or not, we need to know her intent and I'm not sure anyone would be able to deduce that from a Facebook image.

I have a few cousins who I know for a fact to be racist. So if I saw images of them 'blacked up' on Facebook I would be very dubious as to their intent.

However my white best friend 'blacked up' at a fancy dress party because she was going as Gladys Knight and her Afro Caribbean Husband applied white paint to his face because he was going as Dolly Parton Smile.

Both were going as singers that they loved and admired - absolutely no-one took offence, even when they had a very drunken karaoke style sing-off.

Neither of them were being racist

shakethetree · 31/08/2014 17:56

Yet more proof that Facebook really is a pathetic place to hang out.

Op; get a life. but I'm guessing f/b is your life so stay there.

JanineStHubbins · 31/08/2014 17:56

Why so nasty, shakethetree? Hmm

Bulbasaur · 31/08/2014 17:58

You would think after the whole "Crazy Eyes" fiasco with a white celebrity painting herself to be a black character from Orange is the New Black, the answer would be obvious.

Black face has a loaded history, and it's disingenuous to pretend that doesn't exist because apparently black people are equal.

People don't want to see offense in this because it would make them look at the social inequalities and find themselves on top. In other words (God, I fucking hate this phrase) they'd have to check their privilege.

Is it really so hard to find a different costume? There's millions of fandoms, shows, and ideas out there. You don't need to race bend.

JohnFarleysRuskin · 31/08/2014 17:59

I don't have any racist mates on Facebook so it looks increasingly like a more attractive place to hang out than here these days.

Greyhound · 31/08/2014 18:00

Another one for the Bingo card!

Get a life - bingo

You hang out on Facebook to excess - bingo

Only sad fucks like you hang out on FB - BINGO!

My cup runneth o'er.

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Username12345 · 31/08/2014 18:01

Have we had freedom of expression yet? I always lose at bingo

phantomnamechanger · 31/08/2014 18:02

as a child of the 70s I had a golliwog doll
I can also recall being blacked up along with all my family to sing a negro spiritual in a talent show

I cringe at the thought of this now Shock Blush
Thankfully my parents also moved with the times and would never think of doing such now.

Yes the situation in the OP is racist and not at all the same as just donning a sari or kilt for the night. I am flabberghasted that so many cannot see the difference.

JohnFarleysRuskin · 31/08/2014 18:05

How anyone can read through a thread, then post on Mumsnet that others "have too much time", or should "get a life", is staggering.
Is it lack of self-knowledge or are they in denial?
Whatever, I love it when they do it.

Bulbasaur · 31/08/2014 18:10

Yet more proof that Facebook really is a pathetic place to hang out

Facebook isn't a pathetic place for me to hang out. But then again, I do have pretty awesome friends and add people with discretion.

BuffytheReasonableFeminist · 31/08/2014 18:11

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Greyhound · 31/08/2014 18:11

Username - good point! Freedom of expression - especially when it belittles people who have had to fight for centuries to have the right to freedom of expression.

Dressing up as a "sexy" Native American woman or a "rasta man" at a fancy dress party is fun and that, apparently, makes it fine. Except it is NOT fine.

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Bambambini · 31/08/2014 18:14

"Mrswhiskerson, the explanation that rang clearest with me re not actually needing to black up was that if a black woman could 'be' (for e.g.) Marilyn Monroe without making her face white, why would I need to darken my complexion to be (for e.g.) scary spice?

The fancy dress aspect is what identifies the character, not the skin colour - for Marilyn it's the dress and hair, for scary spice it's mad hair, animal print jumpsuit and mega platforms (bellowing "girl power" at all and sundry).

I was Shirley Bassey once, no darkening my v pale complexion required - the feather boa, amazing 70s frock, wig etc did the trick (along with my James bond sidekick and my shit rendition of goldfinger).

The blacking part it the offensive part as it is reducing the character to little more than the colour of skin. It is not the black face that made the cousin Bob Marley or whatever, the dreadlocks, hat and other accessories would."

Why can't people write a calm and helpful post like this that might make folk really think instead of screaming you foul bunch of pig ignorant racists.

I haven't and wouldn't do it. I've read similar threads on Mn etc which were informative and challenged and made me think.

Many people on this thread probably haven't done it, have no intention of doing it, they possibly have no knowledge of history of "black face", the Black and White minstrels or that black folk find it offensive (like good folk. I know who have done it).

I don't think just to brand them all as racist because this possibly hasn't been an issue that's cropped up before and showing your superiority and wringing your more educated (possibly spend too much time on Mn) informed hands is probably not the best way to change minds and make people think and challenge.

slithytove · 31/08/2014 18:14

Is it acceptable to dress up as these costumes if you don't alter skin colour?

I'm thinking the lines of Pocahontas etc?

Greyhound · 31/08/2014 18:18

I think Pocahontas costumes - well, I don't know as I haven't seen the film.

I know that Disney has a long history of portraying racial stereotypes that are now seen as racist.

I think the main objection to Pocahontas costumes is that the adult versions tend to be sexualised.

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