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Was I little harsh in what I said to this group of mums, they were BU but I feel bad now and wonder were we all really that naive once?

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Deedaadeedaadee · 23/08/2014 20:03

At a soft play area with DH, DS1 (3 years) and DS2 (1 year). I was in the little baby area with DS2, next to what sounded like a group of mums from a NCT class or similar, they all had babies around 5-6mths and from what they were saying all seemed to be their first child. BTW wasn't massively earwigging but DS2 was playing right next to them so impossible not to hear! Anyway they were discussing parenting techniques to teach their children manners as they grow up, cue DS1 to launch into a temper tantrum in the adjacent area as DH had just told him we needed to leave in a few minutes. Now DS1 is a relatively well behaved, very normal 3 year old, we have the odd temper tantrum when he is tired, unwell or just in a mood but overall I can't complain, he is a lovely boy. This group of mums were looking over to him and DH discussing how their children would never behave like that and it all came down to the parenting. They made a whole list of assumptions about how my son obviously had no boundaries, no consistency and was probably playing up for his dad as his parents must be separated and he was struggling to come to terms with it so giving dad hell on his 'contact day'. I kid not! I was gobsmacked - and the tantrum wasn't even that bad! I was rather annoyed and felt very protective of ds1, we're by no means the perfect parents, but we think very carefully about our parenting, give it our all and have two thriving, healthy, lovely boys so can't be too bad. I got up and made it very clear DS1 was my son by calling him over to me and DS2, this broke his attention from tantrum (all you really need to do to get him to move on from it) and he came over with DH, gave me a hug and DH a hug, and then (thank goodness!) was wonderfully cute helping his baby brother climb out the ball pit and to his pushchair. One of the mum's looked at me horrified realising I must have heard everything and started to apologise. I just calmly said (something along the lines of) 'just remember this conversation when your child is kicking off in the supermarket or park or wherever and you feel everyone is staring at you and judging you as a terrible mother, and from the corner of the place you will get a knowing smile of support from a mum who has been there. You will be so grateful to that mum at that point and it'll make all the stares and comments of judgements feel less important. It'd be nice if parents could stick together rather than passing absurd judgements. No child is perfect all the time and if you really expect your children to be I think you will be hugely disappointed.' I just walked off with the children and a confused DH and that was that. DH said their faces were a picture - though he at that point had no idea what I was going on about!

After we left though I had to chuckle to myself - I am sure I had thought DS1 would always be an easy and perfect child and if I just parented him right he would always be polite, well behaved etc, though I thought this group of mums very rude - I did wonder if we all start out a little naive?!

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KoalaDownUnder · 24/08/2014 05:37

Good point, Sausages - why on earth would you take a group of 6-month-olds to soft play?! Confused

Littledidsheknow · 24/08/2014 05:43

Sausages and Koala - the point of taking out the babies is as a social get together for the mothers, surely? It was for me, anyway!
Shame this instance of new mother bonding fermented into something so toxic.

Sausages123 · 24/08/2014 05:48

I am not saying getting together is a bad thing I go to many groups but why soft play which is usually full of children too old for the baby areas rampaging, are really dirty and at 5/6 months not going to make use of it - unless it has sensory equipment such as lights?

KoalaDownUnder · 24/08/2014 06:19

Yes, but that's what I'm saying - it's for the mothers, so why wouldn't you go to a nice cafe or something? Since babies can't do anything at soft play?

KoalaDownUnder · 24/08/2014 06:23

Sorry, that reply was to Little

Hakluyt · 24/08/2014 06:39

You know, I must be very lucky. I have been a parent for 18 years, and I have never been overtly judged by a group of young mums, or a group of elderly ladies or an old biddy or any of the Mumsnet staples. Which is all to the good really, because I also haven't got any neat little speeches prepared..........

Davidtennantmistress · 24/08/2014 06:46

Nothing better than a group of judge pants new mums!

I love my not group as we are all on a par really relaxed apart from one who has pulled away totally from our group is a bit Hmm but each to their own I guess. I was a second time mum and the others a first time mum ( didn't realise they did refresher courses) but one of my friends who's on her no second actually said yesterday I bet you used to laugh at us in the early days when we went on about x y z and weaning all the faff etc, and my response was and always is no, I was grateful for like died friends your fears were my fears still. Helps that none of them are judged at all I think if they were I wouldn't have bothered at all.

Delphiniumsblue · 24/08/2014 06:53

I think that you responded well, I thought from the title you were going to be rude. I expect that I would have kept quiet, and let them find out for themselves in time, but I prefer your way.

superstarheartbreaker · 24/08/2014 08:56

What I find most unsettling is the assumption that kids who have seperated parents must have tantrums on contact days! WTF!

sashh · 24/08/2014 09:46

I love the bit where you know to distract ds1 and he turns into this gorgeous cute helpful little boy.

SirChenjin · 24/08/2014 09:53

I think you handled it very well - although if I was giving them the benefit of the doubt it sounds as if they were mortified at their own dickishness, and will probably look back at their 2014 selves in few years time and cringe.

As for taking young babies to soft play - why not? Maybe a central meeting place? Space to spread out?

Mrsjayy · 24/08/2014 09:54

Good for you, you were polite but to the point maybe they will think next time they tut and gossip. I have a parent with a young baby on my fb she is hilarious ly naive it is v funny

fairylightsintheloft · 24/08/2014 10:02

My friend invited me to her NCT group's meeting once, with my 2 DCs, DD was just a few months older than the age of all the babies and DS was 2. They broke off from comparing who had the MOST organic and no added sugar yoghurt and hoummus (I'm not stereotyping, they actually were) to watch in horror as my (crawling) DD approached their coffee cups all over the floor next to their (as yet immobile) babies and I thought I might get asked to leave when I gave DS a chocolate doughnut. It was 3 years ago so I'm assuming they've learnt Grin. OP, great response - though good on them for apologising too.

Tanith · 24/08/2014 10:02

I remember telling my sister that I would never let DS (perfect, 10 months old) watch the Tweenies because it would encourage him to behave badly. I think I singled out Bella as the worst... Blush

Once my sister had stopped laughing, she shattered my smug illusions Grin

Deedaadeedaadee · 24/08/2014 10:12

Thanks all, to be fair it was only 2 or 3 of the group really going for it and yes I was most upset by the assumptions made about how we must parent and DH must be on his own with him, it was ridiculous. The soft play bit was part of a large farming place you can visit so lots to do there for little ones and bigger ones which is why I assume they were there.
I have to say I have had a similar sort of pre-prepared speech for every time sil (no children) has passed endless judgements on our children and nieces - so think it came from something along those lines. Hopefully will never have to use it again and darn't say anything like it to sil!

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SirChenjin · 24/08/2014 11:04

The infamous PFB parenting at its worst Grin

I may have been guilty of similar wankish behaviour with DC1

Mrsbagface · 24/08/2014 11:09

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Mrsjayy · 24/08/2014 11:10

We were all probably guilty of it though my child wont do x yz

SirChenjin · 24/08/2014 11:16

Why do you struggle to believe this happened? I can absolutely believe this happened partly because I am an ex NCT Mum and know what utter wankers some of the Mums can be

minifingers · 24/08/2014 11:26

Oh yes - it was definitely an NCT group and their unpleasantness was definitely BECAUSE they did NCT. Hmm

anyone going to the mumsnet Bumpfest?

AlpacaYourThings · 24/08/2014 11:28

I think it's the bit where the child who was having a tantrum turned into an angel and the OP had a perfect speech on hand, SirChenjin

Not saying I don't believe you, OP.

minifingers · 24/08/2014 11:33

My parenting has also never been judged in this way by anyone, other than two elderly West Indian women in a queue in Primark. Bit disappointing, because I can't make sneering comments referring to how middle class/organic/earth mothery they were and absolutely no chance of dragging in the NCT for a good kicking at the same time. Sad

MyFairyKing · 24/08/2014 11:56

Maybe it was a bit embellished for posting purposes. Don't we often have a different view after an event?!

HatesLeylandii · 24/08/2014 12:12

I got on a London Overground train the other day and saw, crouching in a corner next to a pushchair, a mother holding and trying to settle her toddler who was building up to the almighty crescendo of a tantrum. I took out my phone, jumped over to before the carriage got uncomfortably full, and gave it to her. She looked at me all confused until she saw that I'd put on a Peppa Pig app. Her son, on seeing it, immediately quietened down and spent the remainder of the journey playing quietly on his mother's lap. Hopefully, I haven't created a rod for her own back ... but I couldn't see her so discomfited and do nothing.

Pre-children, I would have tutted/rolled my eyes, annoyed at yet another ruined journey on the way home after a long day's work (and a number of commuters did this (albeit not many of them, thankfully!)). Now, I try not to judge. I understand and well remember that feeling of utter horror, dread and embarrassment when your kids start playing up and nothing seems to work to calm them down. I usually don't want to interfere (as I know that this can sometimes make things worse!) but will do anything I can to help. Most of us have been in similar situations and a kind word/glance/action doesn't hurt.

OP, YWNBU.

Deedaadeedaadee · 24/08/2014 12:13

Alpaca I absolutely promise you my son can turn into a complete angel at the flick of a switch, in exactly the same way he can then seem to be possessed by the devil when it flicks back! Wink

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