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Was I little harsh in what I said to this group of mums, they were BU but I feel bad now and wonder were we all really that naive once?

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Deedaadeedaadee · 23/08/2014 20:03

At a soft play area with DH, DS1 (3 years) and DS2 (1 year). I was in the little baby area with DS2, next to what sounded like a group of mums from a NCT class or similar, they all had babies around 5-6mths and from what they were saying all seemed to be their first child. BTW wasn't massively earwigging but DS2 was playing right next to them so impossible not to hear! Anyway they were discussing parenting techniques to teach their children manners as they grow up, cue DS1 to launch into a temper tantrum in the adjacent area as DH had just told him we needed to leave in a few minutes. Now DS1 is a relatively well behaved, very normal 3 year old, we have the odd temper tantrum when he is tired, unwell or just in a mood but overall I can't complain, he is a lovely boy. This group of mums were looking over to him and DH discussing how their children would never behave like that and it all came down to the parenting. They made a whole list of assumptions about how my son obviously had no boundaries, no consistency and was probably playing up for his dad as his parents must be separated and he was struggling to come to terms with it so giving dad hell on his 'contact day'. I kid not! I was gobsmacked - and the tantrum wasn't even that bad! I was rather annoyed and felt very protective of ds1, we're by no means the perfect parents, but we think very carefully about our parenting, give it our all and have two thriving, healthy, lovely boys so can't be too bad. I got up and made it very clear DS1 was my son by calling him over to me and DS2, this broke his attention from tantrum (all you really need to do to get him to move on from it) and he came over with DH, gave me a hug and DH a hug, and then (thank goodness!) was wonderfully cute helping his baby brother climb out the ball pit and to his pushchair. One of the mum's looked at me horrified realising I must have heard everything and started to apologise. I just calmly said (something along the lines of) 'just remember this conversation when your child is kicking off in the supermarket or park or wherever and you feel everyone is staring at you and judging you as a terrible mother, and from the corner of the place you will get a knowing smile of support from a mum who has been there. You will be so grateful to that mum at that point and it'll make all the stares and comments of judgements feel less important. It'd be nice if parents could stick together rather than passing absurd judgements. No child is perfect all the time and if you really expect your children to be I think you will be hugely disappointed.' I just walked off with the children and a confused DH and that was that. DH said their faces were a picture - though he at that point had no idea what I was going on about!

After we left though I had to chuckle to myself - I am sure I had thought DS1 would always be an easy and perfect child and if I just parented him right he would always be polite, well behaved etc, though I thought this group of mums very rude - I did wonder if we all start out a little naive?!

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reup · 26/08/2014 20:45

My nct group were this bitchy. In my area they had a system where a local member hosted meet ups until we got ourselves sorted. She was pregnant with a toddler and they were always bitching about how badly behaved she was. They were so rude..

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SirChenjin · 26/08/2014 20:34

Oh yeah, absolutely, that was it.

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minifingers · 26/08/2014 16:36

SirChenjin - so the problem with your NCT was that it covered c-section birth for someone having a c-section, and coping with pets and a new baby for someone who had a pet and was expecting a new baby?

Blimey - it sounds AWFUL Confused

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Deedaadeedaadee · 24/08/2014 19:48

Taniththat is brilliant! Just gave me the real giggles!

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Tanith · 24/08/2014 19:17

Don't know if it's the same farm park I went to with DD and DNeice, but I had such a surreal experience at one - you know, when the world tilts and you wonder if you really are the normal one?

DD loves Peter Rabbit on CBeebies. She pretends to be Lily and they often play it.

So when I said "Come along, Rabbits!" that is what I meant. I was a bit surprised at the look I got from a lady nearby.

She sidled over.

"You do know what a rabbit is, don't you?"

Confused Um, yes. Fluffy tail, floppy ears.

She whispered "It's a vibrator!"

ShockBlushBlush

"So it isn't really an appropriate name to call little girls." she continued.

I think I mumbled something about bearing it in mind.
It will colour every future rendition of "Sleepy Bunnies" I sing, though Grin

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5Foot5 · 24/08/2014 18:33

OP I think you were more eloquent and polite then I could have been in the circumstances. The best I would probably have managed would be a bitter laugh and a "Just you wait!"

I'm more irritated by parents with older children who look at me patronisingly and tell me they've been there & done that so obviously know better.

doyouwantfrieswiththat Are you sure they are being patronising? It might just be intended to be sympathetic and supportive as in "Don't worry ours used to have screaming fits in Sainsburys too so we know what you are going through"

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DizzyKipper · 24/08/2014 17:10

Good for you, absolutely fantastic response and I hope it made them think. We all start out naive, I know I had absolutely no idea about kids before DD - but there are a lots of articles/books/parenting forums to cure your ignorance, I didn't have to experience a tantrum from DD to know it would be coming some day!

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elQuintoConyo · 24/08/2014 16:44

Pristine-pink bugaboo lady gave me The Evils yesterday at DS's major tantrum noisy episode.

Just wait, lady, just wait Grin

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Muskey · 24/08/2014 16:37

I think sirchenjin I would have been expelled from nct class as I don't think I would have been able to keep my mouth shut. I am glad I just did the NHS classes

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SirChenjin · 24/08/2014 16:19

We had one incredibly intense couple at oNCT class - they had spent years trying to conceive and were obviously delighted to be expecting twins, but they were taking it all very, very seriously. We had to act out the c-section she was going to have - we were all allocated roles, and had to stand at the appropriate place around her as she reclined on a couple of chairs - and no-one was allowed to laugh. Another week was a Q & A session - their question was about preparing their pet cat for the twins, as they were very concerned about potential jealousy issues on the part of Tiddles. Cue one very lengthy and earnest discussion about how pets might feel with a new baby in the house, and what could be done to alleviate such feelings. DH's shoulders were shaking uncontrollably by this point Grin.

The NHS antenatal classes just weren't the same...

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hiccupgirl · 24/08/2014 14:20

I remember the wonderful world of having a 5-6 month old baby who sat and looked cute and how big and scary 3 yr olds seemed in comparison. I probably did think that my superior parenting would make the difference and my darling wouldn't be the one on the floor screaming because it was time to leave.

I learnt my lesson pretty quickly as he started tantruming around his 1st birthday and was the screaming child everyone kept their darlings away from in case he infected them with the attitude by 20 months.

I think you were very measured in what you said and YANBU. At least they apologised.

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brokenhearted55a · 24/08/2014 13:37

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Delphiniumsblue · 24/08/2014 13:24

It is great fun, deakymom! I tend to smile, nod and keep quiet.

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deakymom · 24/08/2014 13:23

ive been there with a group of extremely judgy women (and sometimes men) you have no idea how much i laugh

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Delphiniumsblue · 24/08/2014 13:23

I can well believe it! I am sure that we all have our theories about parenting when we have a 6mth old baby - I certainly did. You can have a good laugh looking back! I loved my NCT group - a good way of meeting people- but at that stage you have all of the theory and your baby hasn't read the same books!

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ohdearitshappeningtome · 24/08/2014 12:58

Report the thread instead of troll hunting!! Doncha know the rules?

Just because you don't believe version of events doesn't mean it didn't happen!!!

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ElephantsNeverForgive · 24/08/2014 12:57

I was the only 2nd time mum in our NCT group (moved area and had had good NCT friends where I'd lived before, mostly from coffee group not class, so older DCs and far more down to earth).

Some of the class were a bit naive and I did have the odd rye smile at white furniture and their reactions to my fiddler crab DD1.

But they'd have never been that judgemental in public!

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doyouwantfrieswiththat · 24/08/2014 12:43

I was accused of being unassertive by a lady with a babe in arms when ds2 decided to strip off & skinny dip in a stream...but on the other hand I'm more irritated by parents with older children who look at me patronisingly and tell me they've been there & done that so obviously know better.

At least as new parents we can excuse our ignorance.

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sillystring · 24/08/2014 12:41

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SirChenjin · 24/08/2014 12:39

Or maybe it's simply personal experience of being a middle class, educated, professional woman who's attended NCT classes and has come up against some absolute corkers?

Don't sweat it....

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Muskey · 24/08/2014 12:36

Well done you. Whenever I see a person coping with a child having a tantrum I always try to make eye contact with them as if to say I know how you are feeling and things will get better. I do hope they remember what you said

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minifingers · 24/08/2014 12:23

"There is a definite type of parent at the NCT"

Speaking as someone who didn't attend NCT classes (did NHS) but who's had involvement in her local branch, I'd say your 'typical' NCT client is an educated professional woman.

Other than usually being educated and often having a good job, I'd say that nothing unites them as a group - you get the full range of opinions and attitudes to child-rearing from Gina Fordesque, to attachment parenting, to no theories or plans of any kinds.

It's ironic that mocking what's seen as 'typical middle-class' attitudes to parenting is the meat and potatoes of many threads on the mumsnet boards, given the typical demographic of mumsnet posters. Maybe it's a self-hatred thing, or some sort of political correctness sort of bollocks.

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SirChenjin · 24/08/2014 12:22

Ahh, OK, see what you mean Smile

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AlpacaYourThings · 24/08/2014 12:20

To be clear, I was saying why I think other posters don't believe the OP's version of events.

Oh, I can come out with brilliant retorts, I can also stumble over my words and think of the perfect retort afterwards.

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SirChenjin · 24/08/2014 12:15

I don't think it was a perfect speech - she made it clear in the OP that it as "something along the lines of". Have you never come out with a brilliant retort? I know I have (yes, I mean you, lady with pfb who pushed ahead of DD and I in the showers before swimming lesson) - although most of the time I think of the perfect answer after the event.

There is a definite type of parent at the NCT - and I can say that having been to both NCT and the local antenatal classes run at the health centre by the Health Visitors. I met one of my best friends at an NCT class 17 years ago, and we still have a good giggle at a couple of the parents who always went. But in a nice way Wink

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