To wonder how you're voting in the Scottish Referendum and why?

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a month away from the vote thought it would be interesting to ask

( no bunfighting , derision or soundbites please. just yes or no and why. feel free to post more than once with different reasons. No links unless independent fact or opinion, nothing from the official campaigns)

I'm a YES

because Westminster's failed to protect the vunerable and the UK's me first politics have taken us down a particularly nasty path. An independent Scotland leans towards to left and can potentially choose a better route. And if a change happens in scotland then I think that that could inspire a change in the direction of politics in the rest of the UK.

Well, Iggi999, if the negotiations are ugly and the Scots resent the English/Wesh/NI for not behaving as Salmond said they would, I would not have Scotland as a holiday destination for a fair few years.

Relationships don't, on the whole, get ended without one side feeling left, or dumped! I cite the relationship boards as evidence. But, equally, and more worryingly, places where nations have split rarely have cordial relationships afterwards.

And I feel my nation (Britain / England) is being told to "piss off" by "Yes" voters.

What really boils my (Scottish) husband's piss is the appropriation of the Saltire as a symbol of "Yes" as if being proud of his nation makes him one of Salmond's cronies.

Rose, I agree with your DH. The number of people who have told me I'm not a "real" Scot blah blah is unbelievable. As far back as we can trace my family tree, there's not a non Scot in it...and yet I'm apparently not really Scottish. We often fly a Saltire in the back garden...still not buying into the SNP's "vote yes and we'll fix it all later" mantra, though.

I find the 'real Scot' thing quite baffling. I don't think I really considered my national identity to any great extent up until this year. I see myself as both Scottish and British, but I don't think of it as relevant. I don't imagine the official campaigns want this emphasis on national identity - it has really unpleasant undertones.

As an English person living in Scotland I've never been told to piss off. I've been welcomed. I won't see myself as suddenly foreign after a Yes vote, no more than I would a No vote.

I enjoyed clip of a debate, especially when the BT campaign admitted their figures were misleading in the context they were given.

Everyone seems to think Yes pull figures out of their arse and BT stick with cold hard facts. Everyone's got an agenda. Everyone.

You can't use 'English' as shorthand for rUK and blame the entire south if England for all of the problems in Scotland without English people (who after all get less per head!) feeling aggrieved. Asking for independence doesn't equal telling English folk to piss off, but some of the rhetoric of yes campaigners takes things too far and can be quite insulting.

OOAMOL, think it belongs to wings alight but just an online web storage thing for PDF's, nothing else just the Standard & Poors report.
Can't find an online copy elsewhere.

I'm a non-Scottish person living in Scotland and planning to vote yes - guess I'm telling myself to piss off!

If Salmond had mentioned the rest of the UK a bit more in the debate rather than just England it might have been better.

gi999
So voting for independence is the same as telling English people to "piss off"? What nonsense
There's plenty of anti-English sentiment on the wilder fringes of the Yes side , so yes that is a reasonable enough interpretation, especially as the majority in the UK don't want to break up the union.

I can't see any reason if it goes the wrong way why say English holiday makers wouldn't look for alternative destinations at home. There's nothing particularly special here that rural England, Wales and Northern Ireland and Eire don't have except possibly grouse moors . Of course the accepted view of grouse moors by the rabid nats is they are frequented by unwelcome English toffs anyway and who wants them?

I'm Scottish and quite often feel I'm being told to piss off.

Ah piss of will ya!

And if I had a pound for every time a nat /yes supporter manages to make sure we know Cameron is English...

The awful Westminster is in SE England. There are 33 MPs in that parliament who are Scots representing English or Welsh constituencies. There are another 50 representing Scottish constituencies. The most recent economic woes of the UK happened on the watch of Gordon Brown and Alistair Darling. We don't make it an English/Scottish thing (or even particularly blame BB/AD). Shit happens. It will happen again for both rUK and iScotland.

Is he not meant to be a descendant of Robert the Bruce Phaedra?

Have been hearing that our "wonderful" Scottish Parliament are now planning on centralising the Scottish Ambulance Service. After the fiasco of centralising the police force (and what a palava trying to explain where you are to a telephonist if you don't live in a town/city), I think I'll just call the vet if I need urgent medical attention. At least they'll know where I am. That lot in Edinburgh are far worse than London.

It's not great for academics - I know an awful lot of people who are worried about where their next lot of funding will come from (even more worried than usual!).

Phaedra the poster I was replying to wasn't using the interpretation you have, about actions from the wilder elements. It was about the outcome of the referendum.

Phaedra would that be a currency union pound?

There are 33 MPs in that parliament who are Scots representing English or Welsh constituencies

That reminds me of something I've been meaning to ask: can anyone tell me how many English members there are in the Scottish Parliament, representing Scottish constituencies?

Before those who choose independence jump down my throat, this honestly isn't a wind-up ... I'd genuinely like to know

After the fiasco of centralising the police force

I don't think any of Salmond's fans on here attempted any response to my comment that Salmond and Nicola are casually indifferent to the fact Scottish police are on the road to being routinely armed.

I know that iggi I still can't see why tourists from the UK won't be put off coming here afterwards.

The "yes" posters and stickers are plastered all over the place, so much for being environmentally friendly. I don't think much thought is given to where they put them, I even saw a "yes" sticker stuck on a dog poo bin the other day!

Edinburgh is the least Scottish place in Scotland despite the attempt to foist gaelic street signs on the Old Town.

If it goes the wrong way I'm hoping Edinburgh and possibly Orkney can be British enclaves.