To wonder how you're voting in the Scottish Referendum and why?

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a month away from the vote thought it would be interesting to ask

( no bunfighting , derision or soundbites please. just yes or no and why. feel free to post more than once with different reasons. No links unless independent fact or opinion, nothing from the official campaigns)

I'm a YES

because Westminster's failed to protect the vunerable and the UK's me first politics have taken us down a particularly nasty path. An independent Scotland leans towards to left and can potentially choose a better route. And if a change happens in scotland then I think that that could inspire a change in the direction of politics in the rest of the UK.

Quite keen there then I'd like to reassure my fellow No voters that I am very committed to my choice despite not using loads of extra letters when I type it.

Humanoid please could you post a link that identifies iscotland as the 14th richest country-are we talking in the world?

Don't have - or want - a passport from my birth country, so that is not an issue! :)

Apple the figured has been totally slammed as being a streaming pile o' shite, I wouldn't bother looking at it.

It assumes that all the money generated here by foreign owned companies would be left in Scotland...

Salmond probably also expects that all the money Scottish companies generate abroad would all come back to Scotland too, the usual case of having your oil money cake and eating it.

numanoid where on earth did you find the notion that an iScotland's rating would be AAA? It is already forecast to be lower than the (current) UK's.

FFS will this thread just slow down a bit, I've only just gone and made the tea and I come back and it's moved two pages already!

If there is a No vote how likely is it that the Yes campaigners will accept the decision ? Or will there be continuing tries until they get the answer they want? Are there any safeguards to stop the nightmare of never ending referendums?

Imagine the harm, social financial and economic such instability would cause for Scotland and rUK.

Rooner it was Business for Scotland that said it.

Your determination to know the details of all the Pro-Indy's claims is letting your selfishness and fear, dressed up as pragmatism and realism, get in the way of the Happy Ever After here...

Don't really understand why refusing a currency union would hurt rUK because it exports to iScotland.

RUK exports to the Eurozone already. If iScotland jons the euro then it would be no different from exporting to France.

If iScotland keeps a scots pound than it's one more currency, true, but with businesses so used to trading in the Eurozone, inputting a new currency into your accounting software is no big deal. I am not convinced by the new transaction costs argument. IScotland will be caring loads of new transaction costs anyway by being a foreign country, the question of which currency the bill is in will pale beside the other export paperwork.

So far as exchange rate risk goes, if iScotland has an exchange rate with rUK and if iScotland's currency goes up along with interest rates, that makes rUK exports cheaper in iScotland. Thus protecting rUK jobs.

Phaedra, I have voted for all the main parties over the years for various reasons but I get what you mean about Salmond. And for all those spamming my news feed with "It's not Eck your voting for, it's the party/policies blah blah", although Salmond makes me cringe, he's not a one man band and his policies and ideology doesn't come from him alone. So whoever's the figurehead, the rest of it doesn't really change.

And the "Ooh what did you do in the referendum Daddy? I shat myself and voted no" folks - that really gets your point across and totally does away with the whole aggressive yes point of view, it really does is this mince really only on my timeline

Caring=creating

If there is a No vote how likely is it that the Yes campaigners will accept the decision ? Or will there be continuing tries until they get the answer they want?

I asked the same thing - I guess he answer might well depend on who was expected to pay for repeated referendums??

tillie I get that on FB too. I've just been looking at Twitter and feel thoroughly sickened. There are people on both sides who put forward arguments and debate - but the vitriol I've seen in this campaign sickens me. From both sides - I get that people care deeply about this, I get that people are angry, but it just feels so pointless and, yes, it scares me to think what will happen with all that anger whatever result is announced.

What I find funny Tilliebob is that the same people who spam my newsfeed with "you're not voting for Salmond" also tend to post "Vote Yes to get rid of Cameron"...well, which is it, are we voting based on specific politicians or not? Cake, eat it...

Yes, the worst possible outcome is a very narrow majority (for either decision) and that is looking very likely. Lots of deeply, deeply unhappy, sad and angry people having lost by a whisker; no real mandate for the winning party, whichever way it goes. I do hope that doesn't happen.

I've given up on Facebook to be honest, for now, because between crap being posted on both sides of the debate and sodding ice bucket challenges, if I hide it all there's nothing left.

Just realised it's tonight the debate is on again - cue much yelling at the telly again. Last time we were at the Edinburgh Festival and DH taped it to watch afterwards and woke all the dcs up shouting at the screen

I'm looking forward to watching the debate tonight. We're in England, so didn't get to see the last one - the broadcasters obviously assumed we wouldn't be interested.

I don't actually see that much of it on my FB feed. I'm taking comfort from that though, because I assume most of my friends are No voters and don't feel the need to ram it down everyone's throats, they're just minding their own business, going about their day.

There are only 2 people I've seen posting Yes stuff. Never thought much of them anyway!

I only have a couple BakerStreet but jeepers, they're prolific. If it's an article with Yes in the title, they'll link to it or share it. Doesn't matter if it's a bunch of utter clap trap (and I think even the fervent Yessers on here would admit there's a lot of that about!), it gets shared!

The last one was pretty poor Snapes, really badly run and disjointed with lots of breaks to the 'spin room'. At the risk of doing down my country, it was an excellent reminder of why I don't usually watch STV.

Rooners,
worldofstuart.excellentcontent.com/repository/StandardAndPoorsKeyConsiderations.pdf

The sharing a currency idea is mince. You can't share something with someone who doesn't want to share with you.

Oh, and we run a business, catering to tourists. About 85% of our customers come from England / Wales, the rest from Scotland. I feel it is very likely, if Scotland votes "Yes" that our market, in England, will be pissed off and will decide, at least for a while, to go somewhere else for a holiday. I feel unwelcome in Scotland at the moment, and I have lived here years and years. How unwelcome will English and Welsh tourists feel after being told to piss off in a referendum?

If there's a Yes vote, it will get nastier still. The negotiations are bound (IMO) to cause distasteful friction between Scotland and rUK.

I think many people in my part of the world (SE England) rather naively see Scottish independence as an amicable parting of the ways ("good luck to them if that's what they want - shame, though, because my grandad fought alongside the Black Watch and thought they were fine soldiers ").

Well, there are disputed assets and commitments involved so my view is that it will turn into an acrimonious divorce which will be fuelled by the rUK media (causing the Scottish media to respond).

Ugly. And sad.

So voting for independence is the same as telling English people to "piss off"? What nonsense.

Does world of Stuart link to Wings by any chance?