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To wonder how you're voting in the Scottish Referendum and why?

999 replies

deeedeee · 23/08/2014 11:17

a month away from the vote thought it would be interesting to ask

( no bunfighting , derision or soundbites please. just yes or no and why. feel free to post more than once with different reasons. No links unless independent fact or opinion, nothing from the official campaigns)

I'm a YES

because Westminster's failed to protect the vunerable and the UK's me first politics have taken us down a particularly nasty path. An independent Scotland leans towards to left and can potentially choose a better route. And if a change happens in scotland then I think that that could inspire a change in the direction of politics in the rest of the UK.

OP posts:
scottishmummy · 23/08/2014 18:26

aye
Scotland is culturally,politically,socially different from england.

FannyFifer · 23/08/2014 18:27

Dunno why the extra would is in there.

PhaedraIsMyName · 23/08/2014 18:27

. This is an important debate, if you have questions you surely should be looking for the answers.

That is really funny coming from a yes voter. Eck and Nicola have singularly failed to answer any questions. Starting with the bare - faced lies about what was in their non existent legal opinion on EU membership.

Applefallingfromthetree2 · 23/08/2014 18:29

Another reason I am hoping for a 'yes' vote now is to stop the subsidies currently paid to Scotland by the rest of the UK. It is largely thanks to these subsidies-Scotland receiving more per head of the population than England-that pays for the free university education and reduced care costs Scots currently enjoy it's not down to the efficiency of the Scottish parliament as most would lime to believe. And Scots are happy to discriminate against English students when it comes to university fees, making them pay the full fees and letting all other EU students in free. Nasty and probably illegal.

bloomingheather · 23/08/2014 18:29

I'm voting yes. Only recently made my mind up after lots of indecision and fence-sitting over the past few months. I agonised over it for ages and feared it may be one of those things that I loved the idea of but might be much less attractive in reality. However, after a bit more reading and research the best way I can explain my reason now is that I just feel that it will be a positive change for Scotland rather than change for change's sake.

chubbyhez · 23/08/2014 18:30

One thing is true though, the level of political activism that has grown around this debate is fantastic. It has been great to see people knocking doors and volunteering on stalls all in theor own time for a cause they believe in. I'd love to see some of these people remain active and get some new blood into our politics.

chubbyhez · 23/08/2014 18:32

Is there a reason you've chosen to adorn Alex Salmond with the nick name 'Eck' when he never refers to himself as Eck?

Roseformeplease · 23/08/2014 18:33

"She clearly hasn't done any independent research" = Yes answer

"Wee Eck and his cronies dodge every question and give no straight answers to anything" = closer to the truth.

Anyone hear Fiona Hyslop squirming and refusing to answer on Radio 4 this morning? Really. You want us to vote for irrevocable change and yet you can't answer basic questions about money, jobs etc, all you can do is scaremonger about the NHS - a devolved issue and make promises about childcare - a devolved issue.

CoreyTrevorLahey · 23/08/2014 18:33

I'm a (Green) yes, because I do think we have more chance of a left wing govt this way, which is more in line with my personal politics.

And we are just too few for our votes to count for much in relation to England's population. I will never vote SNP and despise nationalism. I was undecided for ages because I thought it was immoral to abandon England to the huge rightwing population in the SE. But if we can do a good job up here, maybe it will make people feel more empowered.

Some of the students I used to teach were very disillusioned with voting as they felt it was pointless in Scotland. But many of them feel enlivened by this referendum, so they say. I think that's a good thing.

LadyCordeliaFlyte · 23/08/2014 18:34

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Beastofburden · 23/08/2014 18:35

Butterfly posted some very interesting stuff which sank without trace. Reading this, I think the reason that ppl who are thinking of voting no are staying quiet is not because they are thinking. It's because there is very real hostility towards no voters.

OP said at the outset that all opinions were welcome, but what I have seen is that any no opinion is immediately challenged, and any yes opinion gets a pat on the back.

PhaedraIsMyName · 23/08/2014 18:35

Scotland is culturally,politically,socially different from england

Utter tosh.

And here's a wee anecdote about how lovely and caring we all are. I was walking through the Grassmarket today and had to walk through a bunch of about half a dozen drunk, ignorant Scotsmen (their accents were quite clearly Scottish) laughing and jeering at a beggar and calling him a "jakey bastard " and a " druggie". As it was mid- afternoon and there were a lot of other people around I felt brave enough to say something about "did they really think that was an intelligent way to behave" and got told "fuck off you English cunt"

IndridCold · 23/08/2014 18:35

I would like to ask what the yes voters on here think about the Europe question.

I have always been a bit puzzled that the Nationalists are talking about staying in/rejoining Europe after Independance. In view of the fact that the aim of Europe is to increase integration and to concentrate even more decision making in Brussels, surely this would merely be substituting rule from Westminster with rule from Brussels?

chubbyhez · 23/08/2014 18:42

I'm still unsure about Europe and can see pros and cons for being part of Europe. I think it comes with a lot of benefits ans I think part of the problem is the UK interpretation of European directive. A lot of what comes out of Europe isn't law, it's directive. We seem to embrace and enforce everything whereas other countries exercise some discrimination and obly adopt what suits.

FannyFifer · 23/08/2014 18:42

It's removing a tier, can deal direct with Europe, ensure our farmers get their proper share of EU subsidies for example which Westminster are not currently doing.

HesterShaw · 23/08/2014 18:44

I thought it was immoral to abandon England to the huge rightwing population in the SE. But if we can do a good job up here, maybe it will make people feel more empowered.

^
This terrifies me. I really don't want to be left in a UK without Scotland. I know I don't have a vote, as I live in Cornwall, but a Yes vote really will affect the whole of the existing union and I think we should all be given a chance to decide. It's our country which is going to be split if it's a yes :(.

I wish we had a federation like Germany's.

Times they are a-changing.

FannyFifer · 23/08/2014 18:44

You get drunk pricks everywhere hardly indicative.

FannyFifer · 23/08/2014 18:45

Your country won't be split, the political union will be.

BakerStreetSaxRift · 23/08/2014 18:45

Another significant reason why I'm voting NO is I find the attitudes and behaviours of many Yes voters quite vile.

SomeSunnySunday · 23/08/2014 18:46

I'm yes and I'm pro-EU. An independent Scotland could have direct influence in the EU (and would be free and incentivised to negotiate a better deal on things that affect Scotland but not necessarily rUK to the same extent - e.g. agriculture and fisheries restrictions). I don't consider the scope of the EU as our being "ruled by Brussels" (either now or in an independent Scotland) - plenty of key issues will still be decided at national level, but we'd benefit from the collective strength of an EU which we had actively sought membership of (rather than the ambivalent - and in some cases anti-EU - approach of the current UK delegation).

HesterShaw · 23/08/2014 18:49

Yes but I feel British, and Scotland is part of Britain.

scottishmummy · 23/08/2014 18:49

What an inane anecdote
Getting back to facts,scotland is politically different.look at the voting profile

helensburgh · 23/08/2014 18:49

Yes

It's is an opportunity to better our country and ourselves, it's that've the status quo, why not have opportunity?

IrnBruTheNoo · 23/08/2014 18:52

When I'm not busy swigging my bottle of Buckie on the street corner (or Blue Lightening, whatever's your poison) or picking up my Giro from the local post office I'll try and find a spare minute to go and vote AYE.

Mind you I don't know enough about economics so I better not vote at all Hmm

FannyFifer · 23/08/2014 18:53

Scotland will still be part of Britain. We can't float off into the North Sea (with all our oil, mwahahhaha Wink)

Just won't be in the United Kingdom anymore. Smile