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To wonder how you're voting in the Scottish Referendum and why?

999 replies

deeedeee · 23/08/2014 11:17

a month away from the vote thought it would be interesting to ask

( no bunfighting , derision or soundbites please. just yes or no and why. feel free to post more than once with different reasons. No links unless independent fact or opinion, nothing from the official campaigns)

I'm a YES

because Westminster's failed to protect the vunerable and the UK's me first politics have taken us down a particularly nasty path. An independent Scotland leans towards to left and can potentially choose a better route. And if a change happens in scotland then I think that that could inspire a change in the direction of politics in the rest of the UK.

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Sallyingforth · 23/08/2014 17:52

I agree with LadyCordelia that there will be deep divisions after the vote whichever way it goes. So many people have gone into the campaign with really strong feelings. It's not like a general election when you can have another go after a few years - the result will be set for a generation.
No-one will forget about it overnight. There will be arguments within families and probably fights outside pubs.
And that really is sad.

JohnCusacksWife · 23/08/2014 17:53

Scotland...North Britain...what does it matter? It's just a name. I'm no more proud of being Scottish than I am of having brown hair or green eyes. All just accidents of birth.

PlasticPinkFlamingo · 23/08/2014 17:57

To bring up another Canadian parallel, a popular slogan at the time of the 1995 Quebec referendum was 'my Canada includes Quebec'.

There's nothing wrong with no voters feeling that my United Kingdom includes Scotland.

FannyFifer · 23/08/2014 17:57

Because North Britain or North Brits is usually used in a demeaning & patronising context like Scotch or Jocks.

IrnBruTheNoo · 23/08/2014 17:58

Huge huge yes from me because of many reasons although health and education being my top priorities.

I don't want to see the NHS being privatised (Barnett formula may get scrapped) and this is really one of my main concerns.

IrnBruTheNoo · 23/08/2014 17:59

Oh and DH is also a Yes and has been from the very beginning (after doing lots of research).

dementedma · 23/08/2014 18:00

Voting no here as is English dh and two Scots born dds. No evidence of how it will all be paid for, how this brave new Utopia will defend itself in military terms, who will proved the bail out next time RBS crashes...
I'm afraid watching Brave heart and yearning to be "free" isn't enough for me to vote to bankrupt a country.

FannyFifer · 23/08/2014 18:02

Dementedma you really need to do done reading as the answers to those questions are easily available.

FannyFifer · 23/08/2014 18:03

America bailed out the Uk banks, RBS isn't actually a Scottish bank either.

Roseformeplease · 23/08/2014 18:04

I love it now someone voting "No" needs to do some more reading.

PhaedraIsMyName · 23/08/2014 18:06

I don't want to see the NHS being privatised (Barnett formula may get scrapped) and this is really one of my main concerns

You should read Brian Wilson's article in today's Scotstman refuting Eck's scaremongering.

LadyCordeliaFlyte · 23/08/2014 18:06

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chubbyhez · 23/08/2014 18:07

And again with the patronising. I'm not voting yes on the back of a 17 year old historically incorrect film. And in sad you've came to your conclusion on that basis.

chubbyhez · 23/08/2014 18:09

Let's just call them natwest shall we?Grin

PhaedraIsMyName · 23/08/2014 18:14

Now I'm increasingly wondering whether a lot of the silent NO voters are just quiet because they are thinking.

Denise Mina has said she is voting no and expressed reservations about stating it in the Scottish Arts community because of the level of vitriol being directed at no voters.
I was listening to an item on Radio 4 where a Yes voter arrogantly stated " of course being in the arts one has the imagination to see the potential of being independent"

Oh just bog off . Being in the very small section of the Scottish population that pays higher rate tax (and subsiding the arrogant tosser) one has the wit to see what a half-baked idea it is.

BakerStreetSaxRift · 23/08/2014 18:16

I am voting NO.

It's not that I don't think Scotland could survive alone, I just think it would be too risky.

The economic argument doesn't stack up. Too many Scottish jobs rely on being part of the union. Plus, many of the higher income jobs will leave (other than oil, obviously). Who will be paying the pensions etc if we don't have an economically active workforce.

I also agree with LadyCordelia, I think the MAJORITY of people who understand economics will be voting no. Voting Yes being like voting for better weather is a really good analogy.

Energy-wise, Scotland will be far too reliant on (no longer subsidised) renewable energy; fine when it's windy, but what do we do when it's not? Most of Scotland's energy comes from nuclear, then coal; both are baseload , which we need. SNP don't like nuclear so Scotland won't have that for much longer, and coal is filthy. Energy prices will go up then, not down, and we won't have the Big surplus to send down south.

And whilst the plural of anecdote is not data, of all my friends, acquaintances, work colleagues (who would all err more on the side of intelligent rather than massive dopes), none of them will be voting Yes.

OOAOML · 23/08/2014 18:17

Late to the thread, but if you're still gathering stats then I'm still a definite No. For reasons I have stated on umpteen other threads.

IrnBruTheNoo · 23/08/2014 18:17

"I know this comment will be jumped on, but it seems to me that it is the better educated and higher earners who will vote no, with most of the yes vote coming from those who can't see further than perceived English oppression. To me, most yes voters are deluded - but that is just my opinion."

Let's get this comment turned upside down.....Obviously is shows the percentage of people in Scotland are not wealthy and justifies the need to have a country and Government that is solely tailored to their welfare needs (i.e. Not Westminster).

Iggi999 · 23/08/2014 18:19

Two very highly educated (not massively high earners though!) adults in this house who are both voting yes.
Best chance of a left-wing government, is my reason.

LadyCordeliaFlyte · 23/08/2014 18:20

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deeedeee · 23/08/2014 18:22

YES roseformeplease, but not because Dementedma is voting no, but because she clearly hasn't done any independent research. This is an important debate, if you have questions you surely should be looking for the answers. Otherwise I think you deserve to be advised to do some more research. That isn't patronising or shouting someone down or not respecting someone's opinion.

Anyone who is voting no after having looked t all the independent facts and decided that the risk is too great, or that they don't agree with countries in principle or they think that socialism should extend across the UK boundaries or something valid then fair enough! but i don't understand people who have made up their minds based on no independent information and then refuse to engage in debate or be challenged. that to me is ignorant

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BakerStreetSaxRift · 23/08/2014 18:23

Phaedra I may have heard the same thing as you on Radio 4, I think the guy was talking to Eddie Mair on pm?

He also very arrogantly said "I can tell you for a fact that 90% of people in the arts will be voting Yes" or something like that, he sounded like a total muppet.

PhaedraIsMyName · 23/08/2014 18:25

BakerStreet yes I think it was.

FannyFifer · 23/08/2014 18:26

Standard & Poors would analysis would dispute that.
worldofstuart.excellentcontent.com/repository/StandardAndPoorsKeyConsiderations.pdf

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