to wonder how Scotland's decision will affect england?

[LEMmingaround]

Just that really? If they do go their ownway how will it affect england?

Also will it open a can of worms with wales and northern Ireland?

Itsallgoingtobefine How much time do you think people have to carry out your instructions for free? I don't actually want to troll through any more of that abusive stuff. It actually sounds like the authors hate rather a large number of the Scottish population, or at the very least despise them. I think the Wings website speaks for itself. If its authors are deluded enough to think that it will persuade people to their cause, then let them publish that stuff.

So you can't point out any factual inaccuracies and instead try to personalise the argument with random insults. If any else lurking can find anything posted by Wings to back up Chelsey's rather odd assertions I would be interested to see them.

Itsallgoingtobefine no, its because I can't be bothered.

Perhaps someone else can be bothered giving up their Saturday evening to boost your cause for you.

Wings over Scotland is a questionable blog run by someone who lives in Bath.

I recall that he posted a pretty offensive article in relation to Hillsborough. I also vaguely recall something about naming and shaming no voters.

Can't remember the exact details but it was enough for me to disregard anything further said by this person.

I like the line that Wings is run by a nutter in a Bath.

most people don't get it

Wings is indeed, pretty poor. Here is one of his/her recent extracts

"Alert readers may recall that when the UK government announced plans for a £55m jamboree to mark the beginning of World War 1, on a date conveniently before the independence referendum rather than the traditional Remembrance Day in November, the more cynical of Yes supporters were immediately suspicious and/or angry."

Now, I'm not sure how you can actually complain that the commemoration of 100 years since the start of a war was held, you know, 100 years after it started. I guess he would have preferred 96 years after it ended so a major historical anniversary didn't clash with the referendum!

But frankly, I would not count any blog which has article headings such as "Arithmetic for thickos" as a good source. It seems to spend rather too much time personally attacking anyone who says anything against independence.

Haven't read all the pages but hate the way the I dyref debate is causing such conflict among friends, neighbours and families up here. People who have been friends for years not talking to each other, people at daggers drawn...
Saw a "no thanks" sign the other day which had been spray paint ted with the word "scum!"
Its getting very very unpleasant and whatever way the vote goes, approx 50% of the population are going to be angry with the result. Scotland is being very damaged and we haven't even got to the vote yet.

I agree dementedma, I just about fell out with my best friend of 16 years over it last night. I wouldn't dare put a No Thanks sticker on my car.

Wings opinion pieces may not to be everyone's tastes, but I still eagerly await something factually incorrect

Statistically I agree its a scary state if affairs when you are worried about displaying your political allegiances in case of (physical) attack. Fortunately, so far it seems very rare.

Sorry ItsAllGoingToBeFine, but after them trying to twist the commemoration of a war anniversary to fit their sense if victimhood I refuse to give them any more clicks. It's vile.

He's not the only person pointing out the inappropriate nature of these celebrations.

Cameron said he regarded the commemoration as a personal priority. He has appointed Tory MP Andrew Murrison, a former Royal Navy medical officer, as his special representative for the remembrance. The ambitious aim, Cameron said, was a commemoration, like the diamond jubilee celebrations, that "captures our national spirit in every corner of the country, something that says something about who we are as a people".

It will also be another chance to commemorate Britishness and reflect on how it has developed – all in a year in which Alex Salmond will try to take the Scots out of the UK in a referendum. His Scottish National party government released a statement saying it would be fully involved in the remembrance.

www.theguardian.com/politics/2012/oct/11/david-cameron-fund-world-war-one-commemorations

Also,

www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/first-world-war-centenary-my-father-threw-away-his-poppy-in-disgust-9645299.html

It is also worth saying again that even if you disagree with someones opinion does mean they are incorrect on everything.

I don't mean to be funny Itsallgoingtobefine and obviously don't answer this if you find it rude or personal, but you do have other interests in your life than reading newspapers and websites about independence, don't you?

I really don't see what is so inappropriate about the British government commemorating WW1

I don't like the tone of everything I have read there. I think it's infantile, abusive and unpleasant. People always disagree with war commemorations, but you really can't claim that the timing of an international event to commemorate a massive war was set just to take the shine off the referendum.

I looked at it ages ago and concluded I'd rather claw my own eyeballs out than read more of that ill written, victim complex tripe. A revisit hasn't changed my mind. I'm not saying they are incorrect on everything, but I refuse to trawl through anything else on their site to find out.

Been out for the day, see I've missed lots here

DH and I were recently discussing the WW1 commemorations and comparing them to the 50th anniversary of the outbreak of WW2 which we remember as being much more militaristic. The WW1 commemorations are much more reflective, and whilst there is inevitably a military aspect it is much less than previous events.

I'd be pretty shocked if there wasn't significant commemoration of WW1. The impacts were huge, and massively shaped the modern world. This is the first major anniversary since the last of that generation passed on. I also don't think there will be other major commemorations after all the 100 year milestones have been passed.

Although thinking back to the WW2 events (1989) has made me realise that there are probably people here who were toddlers or even not born at the time . I must be getting old.

and you said I was practically middle aged

I tend to concentrate on things I know a bit about, chiefly constitutional law, and other legal issues and my memory of WOS' articles on those subjects was that I couldn't find anything that was accurate.

Statistically I am so middle aged I have just been flicking through the Lakeland catalogue. Apparently you can now buy a device to stone 7 cherries simultaneously. Sod the referendum, why had I not realised so many people are struggling with this?

And re Wings - I used to make an effort to look at it because it was trumpeted as so wonderful. I inevitably ended up depressed at the vitriol in the comments (and increasingly in the articles themselves) and having seen several of the type of 'here is a no supporter, let's look them up, post about where they live, search zoopla for the value of their house etc' I have decided that anything I might learn there is not worth the vaguely dirty feeling I get from clicking on the site.

Ha, funnily enough I have the Lakeland website open - I'm eyeing up a new drying rail. Rock and roll Saturday...

I have wine, which helps

chokkablog.blogspot.co.uk/2014/08/the-wee-blue-book-of-lies.html?m=1

Going back to Wings, I haven't glorified his wee blue book with a download, but someone who has has come to some rather negative conclusions. Disclaimer: I intend to spend time with my children today, so haven't printed off a load of reports and checked the conclusions with a calculator. But then Wings has presumably decided to ignore the fact that it itsn't just about whether your message is 100% factually accurate or not, it is also about whether you put that message offensively or not. Clearly some people don't mind or actually like the tone there, but for many it will have put people off a long time ago.

and you said I was practically middle aged

Oh no, I meant that I was practically middle aged whereas you are a Young Thing.

I'm a very old young thing, I think I was born middle aged . I had a charming YES enthusiast accost me in the park one day. After berating me for what seemed like hours on why I was wrong, wrong, wrong, why it didn't matter if my job and entire profession vanished because I'd "find something else to do" she then came out with "you're too young to be so fearful"

How I didn't resort to some very unladylike violence, I will never know!

Assuming that blog post is accurate it seems like a classic case of selective number selection. And not understanding basic economics or accounts by the sound of it.

Salmond and darling on forth2news just now - radioplayer.forth2.com/live/

So far, Salmond has claimed the guys who've just lost their jobs at Ferguson shipbuilders would've been better in an Iscotland.

Can't put leaflets out & campaign that Shipyards safer by being in the UK when one has closed down. Clearly not safer.

Actually, that may not actually be Salmond - the ad just said he's on at 12 so it could be someone else talking there, I tuned in half way through.