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to wonder how Scotland's decision will affect england?

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LEMmingaround · 06/08/2014 20:35

Just that really? If they do go their ownway how will it affect england?

Also will it open a can of worms with wales and northern Ireland?

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ShakesBootyFlabWobbles · 08/08/2014 01:48

Numanoid

To respond to your AIBU

MN: YANBU
MN: LTB
MN: YABU
Shakes: YABU, don't leave Grin

Frmarirolu · 08/08/2014 01:50

Are you serious? Scotland owns 25% of the wind and wave energy in Europe! and since when England subsidised anything in Scotland? It's Scotland who subside England. We pay 9.4% tax but only have 8.1% of the population!!

Frmarirolu · 08/08/2014 01:53

No chance what so ever will it go tits up, it'll be the opposite way around, if we get Independence, the rUK will suffer and it'll be US bailing you out

caroldecker · 08/08/2014 01:54

The Better together campaign is not 'taking things off' Scotland. it is saying what they would lose. The currency union is in the bequest of rUK and there is no reason rUK should be lender of last resort to Scotland, this was one of the reasons we did not enter the Euro.
The EU thing, rUK would support Scotland into the EU due to easier border issues and trade etc. However Spain would go to the wall to prevent Scotland joining to prevent Catalonia independence demands.

Frmarirolu · 08/08/2014 01:54

You think? Seriously? Omg, you honestly think companies will leave the 8th richest country in the world to move to the 18th? I think not!

Numanoid · 08/08/2014 01:55

Haha it would definitely be funnier on MN! :)

Independence or not, England will have to put up with me either way, like it or not. Grin There's no way I'm never visiting London again, and I really, really want to visit Newcastle! I don't know why, I just do. Hmm
Come to think of it, I've never even been to Wales, or Northern Ireland.

Frmarirolu · 08/08/2014 01:56

Why not? We've obviously been doing a better job at a better price, why would anything change?

Frmarirolu · 08/08/2014 01:58

Yes and an independent Scotland won't have any tax offices, benefit offices, passport offices, dvla to name but a few...talk sense

ShakesBootyFlabWobbles · 08/08/2014 01:59

You will love Newcastle, it is a great night out.

Don't leave us Numanoid hangs off Numanoid's leg on polling day pulling big sad puppy eyes

Frmarirolu · 08/08/2014 02:00

Neither will rUK if Cameron has his way oh and for the record, Scotland is much richer than England so try spinning those figures around, eh?

Numanoid · 08/08/2014 02:01

carol It isn't BT I read that from, it was HM Government.

rUK couldn't stop a currency union. True, we would perhaps have no lender of last resort (if it ever came to that), but iScotland couldn't be stopped from using the Pound. Darling, before the debate came and he changed his mind, previously called a currency union "favourable".

I still want the Euro, even as part of the UK. Grin

Frmarirolu · 08/08/2014 02:01

We'll see, oh and for the record, NO ONE up here says 'it's nae fair' please stop stereo typing

PlasticPinkFlamingo · 08/08/2014 02:02

The renewable energy sector gets a massive amount of subsidy from GB energy bill payers, most of who are located south of Scotland.

It's a great asset yes but not without it's costs. The current subsidy regime would be something that would no doubt change post independence.

Numanoid · 08/08/2014 02:05

Shakes I've heard that, and I think Newcastle accents are awesome! I talked to a lot of Geordies in my previous job, and they were all really nice. :)

I'll still visit! My hope is that, neighbour-wise, nothing would change after independence in the sense of relations between Scots and Welsh, English and Northern Irish folk. No animosity, just a political change. :)

ShakesBootyFlabWobbles · 08/08/2014 02:06

Dammit I thought the big sad puppy eyes may swing it back to the drawing board

Frmarirolu · 08/08/2014 02:12

"I hope the scots vote yes, it will have next to no effect on England, Scotland will become a back water with no influence in Europe and the wider world, it's economy will be totally dominated by England with even it's interest rates set by the Bank of England, assuming they keep the pound.

If the SNP are to be believed Scotland will become a land of milk and honey with increased spending everywhere, most things will improve but everything else will stay the same, so no need to worry!"

Lurkernowposter - what the hell are you on? Do you honestly believe that? You must live in some back water area if that what you think, without Scotland, or rather Scotland's money, England would be bankrupt FACT.

We WILL use the pound because it's a tradable currency, if England insist on owning all the assets in the BoE and refuse to let us use the pound...fine, one of the assets is £1.4 TRILLION in debt, Scotland's share (which we are willing to pay using the pound) is £100-120bn, this debt is an asset, the banking crisis of 2009, was for 2bn and it almost sent the country bankrupt, imagine what £120bn will do? What ever way you look at it, YOU need us, we do not need you, so get over yourself and do your homework before making such insults

Toadinthehole · 08/08/2014 02:22

Independent countries make their own arrangements regarding currencies.

How is that hard to understand? How is pointing this out bullying?

If the rUK doesn't want to share its currency, how would that be iScotland's business?

The Nats want Scotland to make its own decisions. What then, is objectionable about the rUK doing the same?

caroldecker · 08/08/2014 02:22

numanoid agree Scotland can use the pound, but without a lender of last resort, no financial company will stay headquartered in Scotland. Even with thier own currency, no-one will stay, look what happened in Iceland.

frmarirolu without taking any share of the current UK debt, Scotland will not be able to borrow to fund the defecit forecats by everyone except at penal interest rates, so stop being silly

Toadinthehole · 08/08/2014 02:25

Frm,

It is the currency union that is at issue here. No one is claiming iScotland couldn't use sterling without by say in its governance.

Frmarirolu · 08/08/2014 02:46

caroldecker...where do I say we WOULDN'T pay?? I said if they insisted in owning all the assets, the debt was one of them, did you not notice in the brackets I said which we are willing to pay??

Go away and read it and you stop being silly, I know all about debts and credits, I'm not stupid but neither are Westminster, they're not stupid enough to leave anything to chance!

Toadinthehole · 08/08/2014 06:12

I'm not sure you do. A liability is not an asset. And while it is true that iScotland wouldn't be liable for UK debts, it really does show how very self-entitled some in the Yes camp have become that they think it an appropriate reply to the really very reasonable point that it for the rUK to decide whether it wishes to enter a currency union with another country, and that there are decent reasons against doing so.

The Yes campaign's strategy has been to win over the fearful by promising that iScotland will continue to have certain familiar things. It would have been a lot more honest to say that iScotland would adopt the Euro or issue its own currency. The outrage reminds me that outrage against Westminster England perhaps ought to be tempered by the fact that most matters in Scotland are devolved. But it never is.

fanjoforthemammaries7850 · 08/08/2014 06:34

Toad, yes my question about what does the Government want us to stay was serious, thanks (slightly patronising) and was in response to people saying that it would be "peachy" in England if Scotland left, that England would be wealthier and that it would have a perpetually Tory Government.

fanjoforthemammaries7850 · 08/08/2014 06:34

*why

Toadinthehole · 08/08/2014 06:58

I expressed disbelief because it's a commonly posed rhetorical question.

fanjoforthemammaries7850 · 08/08/2014 07:22

Well I was interested in the answer.

I am an undecided voter.

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