I am not sure older women can do 'artfully dishevelled'

[PittTheYounger]

without just looking knackered.

In a good way mig?

Amazing thing Photoshop.

I don't seem to suit the white shoes, nude court shoes look (don't own a pair of courts and don't ever intend doing). I do need to spend a lot more time on my hair these days though - dragged through a hedge backwards just doesn't do it anymore. That said, I can't imagine going down the blonde highlights route either.

Like a lot of models she is fairly unnoticeable in the flesh, apart from being very tall and slender BUT whatever it is she has works well in film. Fact is model does not = pretty or beautiful IRL.

She looks good in photos because that is how her combination of features and the way she works them, works.

There are models who look amazing all the time, Christy Turlington is reported to be one of them as is Arizona Muse (saw her in London a few months ago and she is simply pretty in a classic forties way). But many, you'd never notice them in the street apart from their height. Even the supers.

I' m also not sure that being thin does you any favours in later life ( looks wise).
Sure with clothes on you look stylish but old thin skin is old thin skin ... no one looks younger IMO. One of the best 'old' looks I think is the woman who looks like she has fun and has enjoyed life. Often a larger well dressed woman with good hair who laughs almost as much as she goes on holiday.
Saying that I saw shit hot lady in her 60''s the other day. She had burgundy shiny jeans and a yellow vintage shirt with a sort of French Rivera pattern on it and a cool scarf. The effect was sort of art teacher, sort of media head honcho.

Well they do say you have to choose between your figure and your face after middle age and certainly a better alternative to dermal fillers is to put on a few pounds if you are thin.

I do think yo yo dieting puts more strain on your looks though and it is bad for your skin. Best to be a few pounds under or over consistently than keep taking off and adding on that same old half a stone plus.

I've wondered that about fillers - why not just eat more cake?

I'm not sure that eating more cake, or more generally, is the alternative to fillers. Not that I am advocating fillers, although I have them, but I know that putting on weight would have made no impact on my under eye bags or the deep grooves from mouth to nose. Fillers however, have sorted them without looking obvious and given me back my self confidence.

I wasn't talking about deep lines or facial brackets. I am referring to the loss of sub cut fat and general thinning of the dermis that happens as we age. Ensuring we aren't too thin helps keep some fullness to the face and a more youthful look. Fact is much of what happens to our face is dependent on the underlying bone structure- if you have good cheekbones they hold up your face like a good set of coathangers. If you smoke, sunbathe, eat crap and have too much stress (cortisol) it'll hasten the signs of ageing. I also know that some men and women get away with all of these.

I wasn't advocating cake either as a weight maintenance tool although there is a lot to be said for a joyous life showing on ones face and cake can be very joyous.

Fillers can work but on some people and I am glad to hear that you are one of them AgathFand that they are not noticeable.

On the rest of folk though they think others don't notice but they do, mainly because they go to have them done in places that aren't very good .

I was the one advocating cake. But I was just being an arse.

Speaking as a health journalist, I stick to the Cake School of Loveliness.

I hope the thread doesn't turn in to another fillers bashing one. Whatever works for the individual, I reckon.

Sorry Agatha, I know it's not what you meant but I just got a "won't somebody think of the Fillerz" thought after reading your post!
Sorry.

I dunno. I stopped dieting last year. My weight is the same and I don't have the angst.
Pre 40s I tried to always weigh sub 10 st

I did a bit of style spotting today to see what looked best on 50+ women. The ones who looked really good were:

Grey bob, fitted white shirt, dark straight jeans, leopard flats.

Grey hair in a messy plait, raspberry tunic, black skinnies, trainers.

Purple spiky hair, black leggings, one of those baggy grey dresses with big pockets at the bottom.

I also noticed a woman who was a bit under my target age group - late forties or early fifties with long auburn hair, wearing a turquoise print maxi dress, a fitted denim jacket and very plain sandals. She looked fabulous.

There was also a woman with a rather frumpy haircut wearing sensible shoes and jeans and a pink an blue checked that looked as though it came from the old ladies classic range in M&S. She was so beautiful that she made them look great.

AgathF

No I don't want to bash you, sorry if I gave that impression. I just wanted to offer some of my homespun wisdom {wink] and of course not everybody can or wants to go that route. Yes, whatever works for you. So true.

The Cake School of Loveliness- now there is a book title sitting right there. Mother

Thumbwitch .

Mignonette I didn't take it personally, it's just the way a lot of these threads go.

I think the women I admire most are the ones who look individual. Not necessarily extreme, but just as though they don't slavishly follow fashions, or look to 'try hard'.

Fuck off.
As if being in my 40s wasn't enough reason for ppl to make me feel paranoid about the way i look.

I don't think it's an age thing necessarily. I've always looked like a bag of crap.

This.

Thank you and good night.

I don't think putting on weight as you get older does you any favours - it just makes you look frumpy. (Relying on 'good' hair alone, won't cut it).

When I'm old (er), I will aim for keeping slim and have a few fillers if need be no ways am I getting fat