To wonder why there are no sanctions being placed on Israel?

[NeonDoll]

Sorry if I sound a bit thick, but I genuinely don't understand this? They are placing sanctions on Russia following the Mh17 attack, and that's a good thing, but Israel are repeatedly attacking and persecuting another group of people, killing children and no one is doing anything about it? I don't understand why? Some of the photos of the poor child victims of this conflict keep appearing on my Twitter and Facebook feeds and they are just too horrific for words, the hospitals have now run out of mortuary space and they are storing bodies in ice cream freezers in shops. It's so, so terrible.

Why are the world letting them get away with this? It's making me so bloody angry.

YADNBU. I'm wondering the same too. How can they get away with murdering over a 1,000 children in the space of a few weeks?!

They aren't imposing sanctions because to do so would piss off all those countries (us, the USA etc) who are providing the weapons.

It is shoddy. Israel should never have been created in 1948 anyway, imo. It's not as if they asked the Palestinians, who were already living there, if they minded giving up their land.

So they stole the land to create Israel then?

Israel as we understand it was created in 1948. That is simplistic, it was there at least 6,000 years ago or the Egyptians would have had no slaves to build pyramids, nor Romans either come to think of it.

I don't think finger wagging counts as a sanction against Russia. We can't afford to have our gas supply cut off.

Sanctions against Russia barely count. Unfortunately the Palestinians are paying a very heavy price. Make no mistake though, Hamas are pure evil.

Because we need a country sympathetic to the west, in the Middle East.

Yanbu. Israel should face sanctions (and a war crimes trial)

ziggiestardust because Israel is showing the true Western values: keeping an entire people in an open air prison and slaughtering children.

because the US want their little place in the middle east

Just because it might possibly have been there 6,000 years ago does not give the UN the right to displace thousands of people.

The land that Israel now occupies was not what was agreed on in 1948 anyway and they need to stop.

Hamas is not Palestine. Hamas does not represent the ordinary people of Palestine. Hamas is a terrorist organisation.

Would it have been okay to brand all people in NI and the Republic of Ireland as terrorists/IRA members and bomb the shit out of them? I don't think so. But that is what Israel are doing and it is wrong.

Israel as we understand it was created in 1948.
But it now occupies a vastly greater area than the one agreed then by the UN, and hasn't stopped taking even more.

But to answer the OP question directly, because anyone suggesting it will immediately be accused of being anti-semitic.

It is certainly showing the world leaders for what they are, spineless puppets. Good reminder to us that our elected PMs/Presidents etc do not run the country it is the suits behind them, now we need to know, who are they, and what's their agenda? Why not condemn and place sanctions?

Let's not forget that the US is a major ally of Israel. The US is often very vocal about placing sanctions on other countries. Not so with Israel.

Because there are two many people in America who support Isreal (often for religious reasons). Sadly as long as one nation has massive military advantage, support of the west and the ability to gradually conquer more land they will have no motivation to negotiate a peaceful 2 state solution.

Sadly nuclear powered states can literally get away with murder.

Russia is to big and too powerful for anyone to mess with without potentially starting WW3 and Israel are America's voice in the Middle East.

My understanding is that much of big business in the US is run by powerful people who are pro-Israel, often due to their own heritage. This means they are a very powerful lobbying force for the US administration to deal with - to risk alienating that group is something the US govt runs scared of for fear of damaging its economy and status on the world stage.

As well as what other posters have said about the US, and the fact that we have license agreements to supply arms to Israel in place. Israel would be screaming anti-semitic.

This is genocide, as was the holocaust. Too many apologists out there who are too gutless to do anything about Israel.

The Middle East would benefit from a truth and reconciliation process if you could get all parties to the table. Unfortunately I cannot see that happening in the foreseeable future.

Not to mention fundraising considerations for both parties in the US. If you upset your richest backers you don't get the money to run your party, finance election campaigns or even run to be president.

I suspect that similar considerations come into play in the UK, although not on the same scale as in the US.

What Israel is doing in Palestine is certainly genocide.
There should be sanctions and worldwide condemnation.
BUT - Israel is too 'convenient' for the US (and therefore us).
Also I believe there is a reticence to accuse a race, who have suffered so much historically, of behaving immorally now.

Certainly there needs to be sanctions for Russia too.
BUT - we rely on them for gas so we are stuffed, and Putin knows it.

No sanctions because the Israeli leaders are acting in the interests of the US.

Personally, I think this has nothing to do with Hamas and everything to do with energy (gas and oil) and maintaining a geo-political hegemony for the US and its supporters.

The Palestinian situation destabilises the whole of the Middle East (the role of the "conflict" and the the attendant US destruction of viable progessive movements can be traced as a factor in the rise of "fundamentalism), and serves to terrify populations in the West.

Meanwhile, the US maintains its access to energy and its nascent position as a world power.

There are no sanctions because the US vetoes them. Or rather, those in power in the US. The mere fact that there are no sanctions tells you why there are no sanctions: Israel's leaders are doing the job they have promised to do.

Across the world, the outrage grows. Somehow, the US must be made to listen, I think.

So what this thread suggests about the world situation is that £$ comes before human life every single time. It's no surprise, but still it's stark when it stares you in the face, as in the current situation.

Personally, I think we are long past the point where we can pretend this is an issue between Israel and the Palestinians, or even "just" a Middle East issue.

The absence of sanctions tells the lie to that. It shouts it out.

On another thread, another mn-er has pointed out that, as you watch what is being done to the people of Gaza, you are also seeing what those who want to maintain the current power-structure would happily do to all their electorates if it came to the crunch. And who would be there to stop them?

We are distraught by what we are seeing. But our cries for this to stop are not being listened to.

If it was us, who could stop it?

What will it take to stop this?

I agree cat and it is also not a religious issue, a terrorist problem or about the rights of nation states. All that is a load of smoke and mirrors designed to get people frothing and bickering and hating. They are components in the propaganda war.

It is about land, gas, arms sales, therefore £$.

It is a war for the 1%- buy shares in drones and British Gas quick, you can share the profits.