to think voting for milliband must happen to save the country

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He will re nationalise the railway , end the bed room tax, increase state pensions, stop the cut and enable employment to grow.

www.lbc.co.uk/ed-miliband-live-on-lbc-94619

Must not for ed to sort out this mess and stop the nasty torys from making the rich richer and poor poorer

We want to vote but he just doesn't fill you with confidence.

You are not voting for him though, you are voting for your local MP.

Just loom back at what maggie did and how it was raped and then again at tony and his war mongering social services free for all.

Black Monday.

Black Wednesday.

Recessions under the Tories too, and it was they who raped the country by selling off our assets to private buyers.

How old are you OP? I would say either an 'old style' Labour supporter from the 1960s, or a 6 year old ('nasty Torys making the rich richer and the poor poorer' - not exactly sophisticated analysis, is it? ). Or perhaps it's Friday night, you are a bottle of wine down, and you want to start a contentious thread!

Actually, I would like to see the railways renationalised, as the service is poor and the cost prohibitive when compared with other European countries. I do not understand the mentality that essential public services need to make a profit.

However, you really think Ed is going to change the world (or, at least, the country)? Cameron and his crew must have thanked their lucky stars when Ed was elected; he is a far bigger asset to them than most of their own MPs.

Like many people, I am not particularly party political these days; long gone are the days when people supported a party like they supported a football team, partly because it defined who they were, where they came from, where they were going etc. The electorate are more sophisticated now and assess issues and policies - the internet/social media has made most people more aware and, paradoxically, probably less interested.

In my view, a party which can run the economy and is not stuffed with paedophiles and fraudsters who fiddle their expenses, is about as much as you can expect.

I am not suggesting that Ed is any of the above, by the way, but can you seriously imagine him as PM? I certainly can't! Imagine if he were at an official function and was obliged to eat spaghetti.......

Its discounting an entire party and its policies because of crap like that bacon sandwich thing, or not liking his voice or him looking like Wallace. I do actually think that's as far as some people would look. Like my point below about UKIP - 'oh Farage seems like a proper bloke cos he's been pictured with a pint of lager, I'll vote for him.' Do you really not believe that some people are that shallow?

My comment about Gromit was demonstrating how serious I take Millaband and his side kick Ed Crazy Balls! Brown was dangerous by these two just strike me as completely incompetent which is worse than dangerous.

In case some people missed it. I watched the Andrew Marr show not long ago and Ed Crazy Balls was on there admitting Labour will not reverse the majority of the policies particularly around benefits the Conservatives have implemented. That's Wallace's right hand man!

Meerkat, the savings to the benefits system have been very small, because that is not where the problem lies. The problem lies with the truly staggering level of tax evasion, which the government has done nothing about.

When will some of you ever learn? Tories, Labour, LibDem are 95% the same.

Labour won't change or reverse anything and people need to stop deluding themselves by thinking they will. What exactly are their policies other than attacking the conservatives?

In my view, a party which can run the economy and is not stuffed with peadophiles and fraudsters who fiddle their expenses, is about as much as you can expect.

This.

I think both Labour and the Tories will be very hesistant to tackle one of the biggest causes of people's drop in standards of living ,especially the low paid and un or semi skilled workers, which is immigration and the continual rise in population. The only ways we can control it is renegotiate with the EU for better terms or get out. I don't see Farage as a credible leader but he has a point when he said that what is the point of having ever higher GDP if you can't get your dc into a local school, have to wait a week for a dr appointment, see no wage increase to the last 4 years (which I've experienced), can't get on the housing ladder. Now I'm not anti immigration being the child of immigrants myself but it needs to be controlled so we can at least plan our infrastructure and all live decent lives. what I want from our country's leader is to have the courage and conviction to sort out the most pressing problems of this country rather than just tinker around the edges so they can get re elected in 5 years time

London parties all seem to be the same. None are offering anything new - it takes so long to implement any change that we'll just get more of the same whichever of these parties is voted in.

The only way to get a proper shake up is for Scotland to vote yes. Scotland will get a bright new country that might actually vote in a lefty government. The rest of the UK will have to have discussions with Scotland about how to split the assets (and the debt) and what they will be left with. This will create positive change. Hopefully both places can take the good from a Yes vote and work to create a more fit for purpose system than is in place currently.

A yes vote is not abandoning England to the Tories. It's giving both places a chance to build a new, better future.

Also, why was Ed eating a bacon sarnie if he is Jewish? I don't care what religion he is or whether he eats bacon or not, but it does suggest someone who is flexible with their principles, which isn't exactly what you look for in a leader!

Dolcelatte really? That is such a strange way of thinking especially as you're relying on incorrect information about Ed's personal life!

deary, deary me.

Germy - have you thought about independence? Beyond, painting your face blue and shouting FREEDOM? No, you haven't Which is why you are voting yes. but be my guest. getting rid of Scotland will set england free of the huge rump of labour MPs and pretty much ensure that they wont get their hands on westminster for a generation. You will get a country that when it all goes tits up (which it will) you wont be able to blame everyone else. Win win in my book.

Most of the labour seats would vote for a mannequin in a rosette - which expains your average labour voter. Yes to free money - the rich will pay etc etc. Until you realise that you are the new rich. The coalition inherited a massive massive problem. Made worse by the international credit liquidity crisis. Blame who you like for the recession - but had we had EB in charge we would still be down that particular toilet.

The only countries that are growing strongly are those that are shrinking the size of the government and hence their cost to the country. The deficit - i.e the amount the country spends more than it earns is a quite quite different thing to the debt added by bailing out RBS, and HBOS (note the locations their folks). (Which incidentally were old fashioned banking problems - I could explain in detail why each and every bank failed - but I will be honest, if you vote labour, then by definition you are incapable of understanding) yes I am being goady - but really voting for E Balls - who sold our gold at 1/2 price? Ed - who really hasnt a clue until Len Mclusky emails him?

Every single argument for voting for that shower doesnt bear rational scrutiny but you lot will cos you always do.

There are now more people in work that before the start of the recession, our GDP is now higher, unemployment is now lower. We have the strongest growth in the industrial world.

And the Pedo comment - look no further than a number of v prominent Labour MPs who are so far upto their necks in this - advocates for the PIE perhaps? Actively campaigning on their behalf? Covering up child abuse when they were council leaders? The rot covers all parties - it must be cut out, but to paint it under a political banner is disingenuous.

Nationalisation? Where will the money for that little game come from - or will assets just be seized? The true hallmark of a banana republic that. But lets look at nationalised industries - perhaps lets not. Every single industrial decline can be laid at the door at nationalisation. The UK's industrial decline can be blamed solely on the ability to buy things for a reasonable price elsewhere. British coal, steel, shipyards and cars ended up so expensive that huge amounts of governement money were being paid to produce stuff that sat in a warehouse and was unused. Sustainable - nah. Re-nationalisation would take this country back 50 years. You know. when it took 6 months to get a phone, that you rented from the GPO, and was the colour they told you. When your car broke down 3 times a week and leaked in the rain when it was brand new, and fell apart through rust in a year. When the lights went out, the shops had no choice. Oh yes. the good old days.

Dolce- my goodness what a stunning, in - depth, so totally- wrong- I- don't-know-where-to-start comment. Oh, I know- David Cameron is a Christian and I know that because he shows such love and compassion o his fellow human beings- disabled people being a very good example

Just no! This country is only just starting to recover from the mess those idiots left it in.

All you labour voters seem to have all these great ideas about what we need to do to fix this country but what I'd really like to know is where is the money going to come from?

Tax the rich more? A lot of the "rich" aren't UK domiciled as it is. To raise significant revenue you'd need to tax the "rich" at a level that's probably going to cause them to emigrate and then they will pay no tax.

Or you want to strangle big business by raising corporation tax and forcing them to locate headquarters overseas? Yes that sounds sensible.

IME most labour voters just don't understand the way the economy works.

and @ oddcommentator.

I sat through the late 90's and 00's and watched Labour spend, spend, spend on housing and benefits for immigrants whilst elderly people still didn't get proper care because there were "insufficient" funds! As a result house prices have gone up and local services are stretched beyond belief. At the same time airtime with regard to immigration has always painted a rosy picture of the benefits of immigration whilst completely sweeping the disadvantages under the carpet! Meanwhile our schools and hospitals were mortgaged off under PFI and little was done to increase housing and services to meet the needs of the growing population! Probably too busy covering up their paedophile chums! Honestly I'm sick of the lot of them.

Also, why was Ed eating a bacon sarnie if he is Jewish? I don't care what religion he is or whether he eats bacon or not, but it does suggest someone who is flexible with their principles, which isn't exactly what you look for in a leader!
What a phenomenally rude and racist post.

Cherries You are talking complete and utter nonsense. Immigrants do not automatically get benefits. Elderly people haven't got proper care under any government and John Major started PFIs.
As for the Labour party being the only party with possible paedophiles, that's just hysteria talking.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2713833/Stay-home-mum-mauls-Ed-live-radio-Accused-putting-no-value-women-like-choose-not-work.html

Interesting!

In an uncomfortable series of calls for the Labour leader, a midwife said his party’s immigration policies had put the NHS under pressure, while another caller said Labour was for the ‘Islington elite’ rather than the working man

Ed Miliband was monstered on the radio yesterday by a stay-at-home mother who accused him of viewing her contribution as ‘worthless’.
Imogen Thompson, who has two children aged six and three, told the Labour leader he put ‘no value’ on women like her who choose not to work.
The campaigner, from the group Mothers At Home Matter, said Labour was only interested in women who take jobs – spending millions subsidising childcare.

‘I think Ed Miliband’s reaction was a bit disappointing. He admitted he had no answers for me. They say they value stay-at-home parents but there’s no evidence.’

Cherries You are talking complete and utter nonsense. Immigrants do not automatically get benefits

Ages ago, years ago there was a panorma on about how the Labour gov made no provisions for the huge and sudden no's of Immigrants coming in so council budgets were the same and yet trying to cope with thousands of new people, the only way they could stretch the budgets was to re distribute money and services so in one area, meals on wheels were taken away to support local schools.

Because Labour underestimated numbers, and there was no extra money anyway, councils had to suddenly find money.

Ed Milliband was the wrong choice, it's an uphill battle to get people to connect with him. Hence the bacon mistake, that backfired. Although I didn't see it when it happened, just had a look.

David would have fared so much better, how they messed that up. Politics is superficial because that's what people get via the media.

I really wish I was talking bollocks, but unfortunately I worked for a London council during this time and whenever the pressures of immigration were raised as reasons for long housing waiting lists or poor performance in social care we were told that we were not to say so! This is why lost the election, because those at the top think that with spin and media control that they can educate people to their way of thinking. Labour did not protect the poor, they were happy to have Polish immigrants fix their ever more expensive homes for cash!

Knitted The first meals on wheels was run by the WRVS. Meals on wheels has always been local authority funded.

Hmm, if Labour had actually done anything apart from financially ruin the country every singe time they've had power in the past 50 years I might consider it. But as they haven't, I won't.

I'm not keen on the Tories either at the moment but they do tend to have to spend their first term picking up the pieces - I'm really not sure at the moment.

And as for Milliband as a person - Christ No!! I'm pretty sure the other world leaders would take the piss out of us for ever if that freak got voted in!!