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AIBU?

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Do I live on some backwards planet, or was my friend BU?

85 replies

CallMeExhausted · 24/07/2014 14:51

Quick background, so this makes sense... I was idly chatting with a friend yesterday and we were talking about what we had done during the day...

She (pretty much normal for her) hadn't done much of anything. Her DCs had been in and out of the house, alternating between playing in the garden and stuck to one screen or another. She has a very laissez faire attitude with regard to her DCs in the summer and she is happy with it. If it works for her, what business is it of mine?

My DD (8) is disabled and medically complex, so requires a lot of my focus - throughout the year, we save up so that I can employ her school nurse for 8 hours a week to allow DD some continuity and myself a bit of time to attend to household responsibilities. While she was out with her nurse yesterday, and DS (16) was off with friends, I took the opportunity to clean the house, do some laundry and make a packed lunch for DH as he works the afternoon shift.

Well, this friend had some strong opinions about this. She seems to think I should use my money to hire a cleaner and spend the time with my DD instead of "wasting a fortune" on her nurse so I can "pawn her off" (mind you, it is 4 hours a day, 2 days a week). She went on about how DS should be expected to mind his sister and not "fart about" with his mates and of course DH should be making his own work meals.

She went on to suggest I am being abused by DH as he is using me as "staff".

I have mulled this over (while making DH's packed lunch and getting DD ready for her nurse's arrival this morning) and I have come to the conclusion that my friend clearly has no clue, and that if I am not bothered by my routine, it is hardly something she needs to get her knickers in a knot over.

Have I lost the plot?

More importantly, how can I tactfully suggest she wind her nose in?

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AlpacaPicnic · 26/07/2014 00:22

I hope your friend got the message.

Sapat · 26/07/2014 02:59

Since you ask, I am afraid I agree with your friend on various points (though crying out at the sight of needles, really?). Personally I would get a cleaner because it would be cheaper and more valuable to me as I hate cleaning and feel it uses up too much of my precious time. I think a 16 year old could also spend a couple of hours minding his sister occasionally. And I think your husband could definitely pack his own lunch, but why would he if you are happy to do it for him. But then I work full time, I don't pack my husband's lunch and I won't iron his shirts either, I consider him lucky that I do all the laundry. I am often perplexed by the world of SAHM.
As for medical needs and the nurse, only you and husband can know what you need so cannot comment.

NoodleOodle · 26/07/2014 03:55

"palming off" how rude. She's a SAHM who homeschools presumably?

YANBU

saintlyjimjams · 26/07/2014 07:19

I think a 16 year old could also spend a couple of hours minding his sister occasionally

It's not just 'minding his sister' though is it? It's providing complex medical care from the OP's first post. When my younger son's are physically strong enough to look after their older brother I'll probably ask them to do a bit. But they'll need to be the same height as him - and because it's far more than 'minding' they'll get paid the going rate. I think it's a slippery slope to resentment if you start expecting full on care from siblings for a child with complex or hard to manage needs

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ZenGardener · 26/07/2014 07:56

Some people (shock, horror) actually don't mind cleaning and don't actually want a cleaner.

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Deathraystare · 26/07/2014 08:09

'Palming off?" and that thing about spending more time with your child, whilst she is ok with hers out in the guarden or presumably on their computers? She is not exactly hands on is she???

What ever works for you, why should you be made to feel you are 'not doing your job'. Ordinary kids can be too much at times, those with special needs - well I take my (virtual) hat off to you. I truly do not know how mums like you manage.

You say you don't mind cleaning, but if you can afford it, or get financial help, would it not be worth an hour or so of someone else doing a blitz whils you have exra time doing something you want to do??

TheSameBoat · 26/07/2014 08:11

YANBU. I hate it when parents of able children give unsolicited advice on how to bring up an SN kid. Happens to me occasionally and drives me nuts.

As long as you're happy. I also think the nurse is a great idea especially if your DD responds well to her. Our council offers funding for respite for parents of SN children to take up a hobby. I wonder if yours does the same as then you could get some me time.

Please also tell us Nosy Friend's reaction!

weatherall · 26/07/2014 08:13

IMO there's abit of both here.

She IBU for being rude, for telling you how you should live your life and for describing respite as 'palming off'.

However

Yabu for being DH's skivvy, making his packed lunches, cleaning the bathrooms when he is in bed, not spending your respite time doing chores, and making bitchy comments about her free range DCs.

Does dh not give you any respite?

Are you not getting DLA/direct payments to pay for more help. 8 hours a week doesn't sound much.

saintlyjimjams · 26/07/2014 08:25

I think some posters on here underestimate what direct payments can do. A) they're hard to get B) they're hard to spend if you have a child with complex needs. You cannot use them for things like cleaners. I have thousands stored up in direct payments, ds1's main support/respite package has fallen through but I cannot spend them as I can't hand him over to just anyone - and the people who can work with him have limited availability.

Anyway OP has said she likes doing the cleaning - maybe she doesn't want additional people in her house. You have every man & their dog poking around when you have a child with a complex disability as it is.

Igggi · 26/07/2014 08:29

Agree with weatherall.
Anyway why does OP doing less cleaning involve having a cleaner, there are two adults in the house.

saintlyjimjams · 26/07/2014 08:34

As she seems happy with the arrangement & is the person living her life what's the issue?

saintlyjimjams · 26/07/2014 08:38

And this thread is reminiscent of the people who 'helpfully' tell me to use my direct payments to pay someone to take ds1 out. WHO? I don't see them offering.

daisychicken · 26/07/2014 09:25

jimjams can I ask how you are allowed to use the direct payments then?

saintlyjimjams · 26/07/2014 09:32

For ds1 to access the community. Support workers for him (incredibly hard to find - after ten years I have two who can take him out, the others work alongside me as an extra pair of hands - this is not me being protective - it's reality). And I am allowed to pay for surfing 1:1 for him after a special request (it went to panel) & before & after school care for my youngest so I don't have to take ds1 to pick him up (but I had to fight to keep that as they tried to take it away).

My social worker had said they because our respite package collapsed a week before the holidays I can use then to pay for activities for him to access. Unfortunately I can't find any that he can access.

FeministStar · 26/07/2014 09:37

Call hats off to you for dealing with such a complicated situation.
Whatever you want to do is up to and and none of your friend's business, but maybe she is just wanting you to have time for yourself rather than having to clean the house? Obviously if you want to do that it is fine but I hope you get some time to do things that are for you rather than your DH and DCs.

OwlCapone · 26/07/2014 10:00

WEll done for your response :)

Her DCs had been in and out of the house, alternating between playing in the garden and stuck to one screen or another.

So, she isn't really interacting with them any more than you are when your DD is with he nurse (who is interacting with her). She sounds like an idiot!

BerylStreep · 26/07/2014 10:02

Do you think the issue is that when she 'pops in' you are busy cleaning, and not available to entertain your friend?

She does sound rude and bossy.

Shelby2010 · 26/07/2014 10:14

It sounds like your friend feels guilty about not spending much time with her kids which she justifies as needing 'me' time. Therefore your busier lifestyle is showing her up for being a bit lazy. A bit like some overweight people who constantly try to sabotage your diet by giving you cakes.

Also, I normally hate any cleaning but when my DD was a demanding new baby it was a positive relief to be able to clean the kitchen or make tea while DH took her out. It felt good to actually achieve something positive or do something nice for DH, so I can see where you are coming from. Disclaimer: this wore off once they got older & any free time is spent is now spent either watching TV or MNetting or both. House is a tip. Oh, well.

daisychicken · 26/07/2014 11:55

jimjams thank you for your response. I hadn't realised how hard it is to find suitable and acceptable (to the panel) support etc that your ds needs but also to help you. I'd for some reason thought that you could use the money to help in whatever way needed... I guess I'm not the only person with no experience in this area to think that... which OP could that be why your friend may have said what she said? She may think she understands but the reality is, unless you are there or have been there ie had experience, you never truly know...

Perfectlypurple · 26/07/2014 12:01

Yanbu. Do what works for you.

Re the packed lunch - I knew posters would say you shouldn't make it/they wouldn't etc. I never quite get the I don't do stuff for dh mentality. I make packed lunch for dh, I make most of his meals unless I am at work and I leave something out for him. I enjoy it. He does plenty for me. We are a team.

CallMeExhausted · 26/07/2014 14:49

I will try to address these in order... 'twas a long night last night, so I am functioning in slow mode.

Her reaction was comical... she told me I don't spend enough time doing nothing as if I would be doing nothing during the time DD was not with her nurse . My house was too clean (bollocks!) and DD gets too much attention (cognitive impairment, physical disability and medical needs tend to do that). I have my MN time, and some quiet time once DD is in bed. I am not a person who likes doing nothing - it is not my style.

I don't live in the UK, so things like direct payments are not an option. Currently, the "respite" program we have is subject to intense debate... as all of the families that have been approved in the last 8 years, instead of receiving a funding allotment, are then put on a wait list. So, while I know how much we should receive for her respite care (the highest funding level), we receive none of it. She does get a private nurse at school, and through medical home care, we get one overnight nursing shift per week (so I can get some rest) but that was cut back from 7 nights a week. While being "on call" to respond to alarms etc all night 6 days a week is definitely taxing, having the house occupied only by family most nights is enjoyable. Try to imagine having essential strangers in your home while you are sleeping every night. You can imagine what that did to the intimate side of my marriage

Like I said, I enjoy doing little things for DH - and making his lunch or doing his laundry is hardly a big deal. Frankly, as I do the shopping, it is easier if I make lunches too - that way we don't run out.

DS does watch his sister, but he needs to have his own life, too. With his sister being half his age, and her needs having seriously impacted on his life already, we need to be cautious. He loves his sister immensely, but it would not take much for him to resent her terribly, as well. He will be watching her today while DH and I go out to look at cars.

Right now, I am admittedly treading VERY carefully with demands on DS, as I feel terrible for something that has happened with him. I was supposed to be taking him on a trip for his 16th birthday - we should have left a couple of days ago - but the care I lined up for DD decided her care needs were too great and backed out too late for me to find alternate arrangements. DH could not take the time off work - he is new in the position. This was supposed to be a once in a lifetime trip and had to be cancelled. He is justifiably upset, and there is not a damn thing I can do about it. Once again, his life gets turned upside down through no fault of his own.

I have ways to amuse myself, but they are home based. DD can end up in the hospital 200km from home on a moment's notice, so committing to something financially that I attend has proven to be wasteful.

jimjams understands the challenges of "respite" very well. We trust this nurse implicitly, and her daughter and DD are very close. The nurse takes DD out into the community and (more importantly) stays familiar with changes in her condition so that she will be up to speed when school reconvenes, as DD's condition is degenerative and very variable.

As far as me cleaning when my friend "pops in", perhaps if she called first, I might actually be able to give her 100% attention. As it is, I finish whatever I am doing, put the kettle on, and take a break. Perhaps not good enough for her Hmm.

I do my own cleaning because a) DD has an inborn immune deficiency, so once/twice a week by a cleaner wouldn't be sufficient; b) I actually like knowing I am keeping the house myself, especially since it was something I struggled terribly with in the past; and c) when it is broken down, it is only the regular daily stuff plus one or two extra jobs every day anyhow.

But this morning, we are having a quiet time. DD is watching her favourite video (today) of polka dancing and playing with the dog and I am MNetting. Night nurse bailed out last night at short notice, so we'll be going a 13 day stretch without night care. Par for the course...

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