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to ask if anyone is up as I feel very anxious and sad

31 replies

tisrainingagain · 13/07/2014 02:08

Hi
I don't know if this is the done mumsnet thing but I posted this earlier on relationships, and really need some more perspective on it as I feel completely desperate and alone, dreading tomorrow with more stonewalling from dh and trying to keep cheerfulish in front of the kids. I can't do it any more Sad.

Am insanely jealous at the thought that he might have feelings for the "soup lady" or go off with her if we were to split ...

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Szeli · 13/07/2014 02:15

Really don't know what to say/suggest but don't want to leave you hanging.

If it was me I'd be trying to have it out with him once the kids went to bed, talking at him til he breaks even as you can't live like that. I doubt soup lady is more than soup but I don't know her or your DH

Lweji · 13/07/2014 02:17

Oh, I saw the thread but didn't read it properly.

Why are you jealous? Is he such a great guy that you can't bear to not be with him? Because he'd be happy and with someone and you wouldn't? Because you'd lose to someone else?

I think you should be prepared to tell him he can go.

Meanwhile, can you find an excuse to go out and have some you time tomorrow?

SiennaBlake · 13/07/2014 02:20

I've just read it briefly and can see why you might feel sad. Cooking together just sounds intimate to me. He wasn't honest either. Red flags I think.

missbluebird · 13/07/2014 02:21

Or could someone have the children for a bit for you so that you and DH can talk? Waiting till bedtime sounds like it will make it a long day for you.

Lweji · 13/07/2014 02:21

I've read the other posts now.

Why do you hold on to this relationship?

tisrainingagain · 13/07/2014 02:24

Thanks for your posts. H is very difficult to talk to about anything intimate and if he is going through a withdrawn / stonewalling phase, completely impossible.

I suppose worst case scenario I don't want to feel excluded from my own life with this woman looking after my dc for half the week Sad.

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AgentZigzag · 13/07/2014 02:26

Sometimes it's better to back off from someone when you suspect you'll blow a gasket if you carry on as normal, I don't see that as sulking, which to me is more about punishing the other person to point score and 'win' the game.

So it'd depend on why he's not talking to you in the first place, was it about you going to the wedding?

Is he being like this because he knows it isolates and makes you feel desperate? If he is then that's something on a completely different level.

The soup thing wouldn't be so bad if it was planned, much worse if he was doing it to directly hurt you and in effect threaten you that he'll go off with someone else if you don't live up to his expectations. The woman would probably be horrified if she knew you were thinking about her like that, try to trust him unless you can see good evidence that he's up to no good?

tisrainingagain · 13/07/2014 02:29

Lweji I did not expect the strength of feeling (of rejection!) that the soup episode would cause.

I suppose I hold on because I feel I haven't yet done my best and because the out in the cold theme of divorce seems utterly terrifying.

Spend a lot of my time feeling hurt by H but also desperately want him to love me and show affection Confused.

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MegTheCat · 13/07/2014 02:33

My guess is that there is nothing going on with soup lady. May be he wants you to feel hurt and jealous. Or maybe he just wants to feel like he's the good guy - he's so lovely, he has friends who think he's great, you must be the problem not him...(My dh is like this).

Can you get out and do something nice with the dcs tomorrow so you're not stuck I the house with someone who is being foul to you? Or can you talk to him about the way he's behaving towards you and sort things out? I would leave talking about the soup making to another time when you're getting on as it's a separate issue really and not wrong in itself.

AgentZigzag · 13/07/2014 02:35

'Spend a lot of my time feeling hurt by H but also desperately want him to love me and show affection'

Is there something specific that makes you feel like that? Like the way you were treated as a child or another relationship?

It's like you can't understand why he'd be with you and you wouldn't blame him if he left (massively reading between the lines)

Do you genuinely love him for the person he is or are you staying with him because the alternative is too distressing to contemplate?

tisrainingagain · 13/07/2014 02:38

Sorry missed your post agent. I don't think the soup incident was planned to hurt me. Thinking that she would be horrified to think I was thinking this helps so thank you Smile.

The sulking is due to many things. I have withdrawn a lot as H quite often says something which really hurts.

He thinks in general that I am not pulling my weight.

I on the other hand feel unloved and resentful.

He didn't come to the wedding because he knows that when we went through a very rough patch I spoke to my Aunt about it a lot. He now doesn't want to go and see her family with me (though is ok if she comes to our house).

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tisrainingagain · 13/07/2014 02:46

Have missed a few more posts. I can't unpick whether I want to stay because the alternative is awful or because of positive feelings. There is a lot I don't like about h but the thought of being excluded is terrifying.

I think I do project my issues on to him but he is also a fairly lonely type of character who shows me very little affection and who does not communicate well. These things make things difficult.

Thanks for your kind posts.

Yes must have a strategy for tomorrow or it's going to be awful. It's just very hard to be ignored while the dc are having affection showered on them -the contrast is very marked Sad.

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AgentZigzag · 13/07/2014 02:54

That sounds as though your H is deliberately trying to isolate you as a punishment for accepting support from your aunt.

He really shouldn't be doing that to you.

Aside from the soup woman, how unhappy would he have to make you for you to choose not to be with him do you think?

maras2 · 13/07/2014 03:12

Hiya tis,I think I'm about up to speed with your circumstances.All that I can say is please please get some legal advice.It really sounds as if your marriage is over,there seems no way back now but protect yourself and your kids by getting the best lawyer that you can afford.So sorry that you are hurting but your H sounds a nasty cruel man and you would be much better off without him.I hate to see women like you being treated like shit I really do.I wish that there was a magic spell that could just make him disappear.God bless and good luck. Mx.

MegTheCat · 13/07/2014 03:17

When he is like this do you just have to wait for it to blow over? And then he is ok with you (until the next time?) You might have to wait for the right time to talk about it to him but could you try going to relate? Or get some counselling just for you if he's not willing.

It's sad when your marriage is not what you would want it to be Sad

giraffescantboogie · 13/07/2014 03:55

hope you are ok op

MegTheCat · 13/07/2014 04:00

Oh, I've just caught up on some of your back story. I see you've tried counselling.
Your husband sounds horrible. Do you have any good times with him?

pluCaChange · 13/07/2014 08:22

He sounds as though he's using power against you in different ways: withholding affection, making you witness him offering affection or friendliness to others, downplaying your contributions to shared life... I agree with maras that you need to secure some legal power of your own, very soon! Sorry...

wheresthelight · 13/07/2014 08:39

I am probably going against the grain here (and admit bot read other posts by you) but this all seems a little melodramatic so I assume there is a back story.

From what I have read your dh is miffed because you are withdrawn - which you don't deny - and because you spoke to someone outside the marriage about your problems with it. So let me ask you this song can het a better understanding...
A) did you or have you spoken to him about how you feel before running off to talk to your aunt?
B) you admit you project your issues onto him so have you sought out counselling for yourself
C) you say yourself unloved and yiu resent him, why what does he do to promote this and have you thought about couples counselling?

I think the soup issue is a misnomer to be honest. you are building it up to you and dh splitting up and him loving with the soup lady from a nothing conversation about him teaching her to make soup. It's ridiculous and if you are this insecure I think k you definitely need to seek some professional help. I am not saying that to be mean but I do think you aren't seeing this for what it is.

Lweji · 13/07/2014 08:53

Spend a lot of my time feeling hurt by H but also desperately want him to love me and show affection

It's hard to say without the backstory and not watchin your dynamics.
I may be that he shows affection in different ways to you (see love languages), but him stonewalling you is not a good sign.

Are you ever able to talk about your relationship and your feelings?

tisrainingagain · 13/07/2014 08:59

Hi all

Thanks so much for posting last night as it made it easier to go to sleep.

I don't know what to do today.

I am supposed to be making a mask with both of my dds as they have a carnival at school tomorrow. Going to the supermarket, and maybe taking my Dad to the train station though he said yesterday that he doesn't want a lift. Also getting ready for school tomorrow uniform wise etc..

The problem is that being at home feels so awful that I would rather just take off by myself for the entire day somewhere. Not that that would help with all the things I am supposed to be doing like paperwork and clutter shifting that would also help my state of mind. But I can't do any of them as I feel anxious with permanent butterflies in my stomach.

H is very cross that I speak about him to other people and for him this is a big betrayal of trust (I think). However if he wasn't very difficult / unkind at times, then I would not have done that. It feels as if we are slowly disconnecting and the threads of our joint life are unravelling. He never comes to visit my Aunt with me and has just missed this wedding. I, on the other hand, was annoyed when he bought a property with his brother to do up so that they can sell it, as he barely consulted me and because it tapped into a lot of my issues re. h not trusting me to co-own our house with me etc.... So I never ask him about the work on this property as somehow I can't bring myself to.

One of his sisters has been really unpleasant and rude to me recently and is generally a draining sometimes toxic (though not always) person to be around. So I have decided that I cannot go and visit his family (who live two hours away) while she is around as the last incident left me feeling humiliated and belittled. The thing about that is that h was in the room when this happened and could have said something but didn't. He acknowledges that this sister can be difficult and that he too has had arguments with her, but thinks I should just go along and not have much to do with her. So it feels as if I have closed the door on visits to his family (though I did say I would go when she is away on holiday this summer). Maybe I should get over this but I do wonder what the point of my going there is when h spends most of his time on his computer or speaking to his Mum in a different language (nothing wrong with this as it is their language but he tends not to translate for me - she does speak English as well) not involving me in the conversation. So I naturally veer towards spending time with the sister in question who has 2 dc a similar age to my 3. However after the last incident I cannot do it at the moment.

So on the one side he has long decided not to come to visits to my extended family. On the other I (for different reasons) am feeling the same way about his. This definitely feels like unravelling.

The recent ostracism stems from this argument described in this thread. The good news is that h has now changed his tune re. taking dd to the doctor (which I would have done anyway but it is easier if he also thinks it is necessary as she is very defensive about it). Having got back from the wedding he was asking my ds about her (seeing as he is not talking to me Sad) and I described what it was like while we were away and that my Aunt's partner had said that she urgently needed to see someone (which I think so too but h is not very respectful of my opinion). H agreed so I was happy about that.

What generally happens is that h will say something aggressive or hurtful (like the above) and I will withdraw out of hurt and sleep in a different bed as I feel odd lying next to someone who is capable of behaving in that way. However what I really would like is for h to apologise and or acknowledge the argument, which he never does. I think his outbursts are quickly forgotten by him and he then only sees the withdrawal (I might stop communicating for a while out of anger, but I do get over that relatively quickly compared to h, who will often sulk even when I consider that he was the one saying the damaging hurtful things Hmm).

I don't know, it's all a huge mess. I just can't bear another day of being ignored as I know is going to happen today. The energy drain I felt not long after getting back from the wedding where no one was ignoring me was quite something. After a while of him communicating only with the kids I suddenly felt depressed, sad and incapacitated. It's like being back at school where the nasty girls are excluding you. The same feeling. It also impacts on your self esteem as in the end you tend to think you must be the cause of the silence and lack of affection.

I don't know what I am trying to say. I think I have also damaged this relationship, but I would be ready to talk and heal and build. H however is very defensive and talking like this is almost impossible for him. He mainly lays the blame for everything at my feet citing various things (not all untrue but he never ever acknowledges the things he does which make our relationship difficult).

The situation with my daughter's current OCD (which has really escalated recently) is very stressful and sad. The distress she is feeling at the moment is considerable and I am finding myself being her reassurance as she doesn't talk about it to h. This is very draining, and the fact that I am then faced with the ostracism, makes every thing harder to bear. People have been saying that maybe she is expressing the anxiety present in the relationship between h and I which makes it even more urgent that h and I sort out our problems but this seems impossible.

wheresthelight h and I went to about 5 or 6 counselling sessions together two years ago but he then stopped coming. I have also had 2 years of counselling on my own. The thing about speaking to h about issues rather than other people is that it is impossible. He becomes defensive and angry very quickly. This feels emotionally suffocating. I think I do have issues which impact on our relationship but he definitely does too with an alcoholic father who left when he was 15 and with an acrimonious divorce from his first wife. He basically trusts nobody.

Apologies for the mammoth post. I suppose bottom line I find the way h behaves towards me sometimes completely unacceptable - using sarcasm / anger / rudeness, and this really impacts on how I feel about him, and makes me dig my heels in with regard to doing the things which he wants me to do.

I suppose that if there were expressed affection between us everything would be easier, but it feels a bit as if I am employed and that I have to do certain things in return for the roof over my head. H pours all of his affection into the children.

Must stop now as I am rambling...

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Lweji · 13/07/2014 09:03

H is very cross that I speak about him to other people and for him this is a big betrayal of trust (I think)

That's part of the abuser's script. To keep their partners isolated.
You should be able to take counsel from whoever you want.

tisrainingagain · 13/07/2014 09:20

Yes I agree Lweji. H is concerned that my Aunt may be thinking all kinds of things about him.

What is the consensus on what I should do today? Stay at home and try to do all the things I need to do despite feeling anxious, rubbish sad and ignored, or run away from it all and go and do something by myself (have no idea what Confused) If I do the latter, what message is that going to send to my dc (and h Hmm).

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Proclean · 13/07/2014 10:13

Can you narrow down to a bare minimum the most important things you need to get done that you could possible do later on such as make the mask after tea time etc.

Go out and go to some countryside or a beach and just have a potter round maybe or have a look round the shops.

When my parents were alive my mum found my dad very difficult (because he was!) and she used to just get on the bus as she didn't drive and go round the shops then get tea and a cake with a magazine and then go home able to face life again.

These relationships are draining! I think we all have 'not speaking' days but all this game-playing and uncertainty is very unsettling for you OP, you need to clear your head.

The message this will give to your dh (and dc) is that you value yourself and will take care of yourself whatever!

I hope things go well for you today!

tisrainingagain · 13/07/2014 10:53

Thanks proclean, yes will look after myself today. Am not going to particularly try to engage with h too much as it hurts too much but will get on with what I need to do Smile.

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