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To wonder why MNHQ still haven't given us our Chalet School topic?

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TheObligatoryNotQuiteSoNewGirl · 12/07/2014 19:53

Because we probably shouldn't still be hanging out in AIBU, four (or is it five?) threads later.

I've been reading all the lovely transcripts, and although I started Prefects yesterday, I don't want to finish it, because it's the last one! :-(

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TooExtraImmatureCheddar · 29/07/2014 21:53

Bad Things happening to Jo brings to mind something I was wondering about earlier. Phil gets polio in one of the latest books, but it's dealt with totally off screen. I'm reading Challenge and Phil is in the San for treatment but is getting better. Which book does she actually get ill in? Why isn't it a major event with much associated trauma and drugged milk for Jo? Why does EBD just sort of throw it in incidentally?

Btw, Nell, I love reading the long posts!

TooExtraImmatureCheddar · 29/07/2014 21:59

Tangential topic, but I like the fact that Jo March doesn't marry Laurie. I prefer the acknowledgement that men and women can be platonic friends without having to be in love, and I think Jo is very brave to turn him down. I'm not convinced by the Laurie/Amy relationship at all, though, but I do like the way Louisa May Alcott portrays first Jo turning Laurie down and then his subsequent melodramatic wallowing. Both are very realistic!

NellWilsonsWhiteHair · 29/07/2014 22:00

God, really? Thank you for the reassurance - I feel ever so Blush when I see I've written yet another one. Grin

I haven't yet read the Phil polio stuff - I'm not sure if I even read it as a child. Curious about the answer.

TooExtraImmatureCheddar · 29/07/2014 22:01

Oh, and I do love dear old Professor Bhaer. He's a solid lump of comfort, if you like!

TooExtraImmatureCheddar · 29/07/2014 22:04

What's the Rosemary Auchmuchty (?) stuff you mentioned? I adore subversive sub plots! I would write just as long posts if I was doing it on the laptop - posting by phone means I of one short post, scroll back a bit and remember something else I wanted to say, post about that and then do it again!

NellWilsonsWhiteHair · 29/07/2014 22:06

The Hilda Annersley: Headmistress fill-in has a Leutnant Bhaer as the Bad Nazi Who Threatens Miss Annersley. Given how referential EBD's early books seem to be towards LMA's, I can't work out if that's just an odd coincidence of name or not - and if not, why that choice?

NellWilsonsWhiteHair · 29/07/2014 22:19

Rosemary Auchmuty's A World of Girls and the follow-up A World of Women. The first looks at the work of EBD, EJO, DFB and Blyton, the second drops Blyton as it focuses on the characters moving into adulthood and what their options and role models are here, and Blyton's school series both finish in the sixth form (in any case, she is presented as an anomalous inclusion in the first volume).

They're interesting and worth a read - I picked both up v cheaply on abe I think. She manages to straddle arguing that there is something of genuine worth in the books - that the books are radical and empowering in their depictions of (mostly) self-sufficient and fulfilled communities of girls and women - and still appreciating some of the unintentional funnies, in a way that I don't really think (eg) Ju Gosling is willing to. I think some of it is overstated and it's probably not much fun for people who hold the (very very valid) preference for CS as unchallenging and profoundly innocent comfort reading, but a lot of what she says really resonates for me.

RobinHumphries · 29/07/2014 22:21

I was speaking to my mum last night and I'm not sure exactly how it came up in conversation but she was saying she knew quite a few teachers that were living together (of the same sex). My mum said she isn't sure if there were relationships going on or if it was because they were of the generation that when they married they couldn't work so it worked out cheaper for the unmarried to share a house. Anyway it was common.

Poor Phil not only having polio but mastoiditis as well. What gets me is that every time a child has a fever she has a growth spurt so 2 year old Phil is taller than Cecil. Still it explains why Joey ends up so tall Hmm.

What exactly is the poudre effect? Every time I google it comes up with some sort of face powder!

TooExtraImmatureCheddar · 29/07/2014 22:55

Poudre = powdered, doesn't it? I always assumed it meant powdered hair/white wigs a la Marie Antoinette. Did women powder their hair or was it only men? I know both sexes wore wigs.

Thanks, Nell, might have to invest in those! Haven't read any Dorita Fairlie Bruce - is it any good? I've read two or three EJO Abbey Girls books but they never grabbed me the way EBD did - perhaps because I came to them as an adult.

On the Phil/polio storyline - does she get it in Summer Term? It's the book immediately preceding Challenge, which I haven't read in years. The thing is, isn't that the book with Erica and Marie-Claire, where Joey is merrily adopting yet another ward? Why would you take on an adoptee if your own baby was very ill?

TooExtraImmatureCheddar · 29/07/2014 23:01

Have just Googled mastoiditis and am a bit stunned. I always thought it was connected to polio, not a totally different disease! I had no idea it was basically a severe ear infection that could cause deafness/facial paralysis/meningitis etc.

TooExtraImmatureCheddar · 29/07/2014 23:23

Polio vaccination became widespread in the 50s and 60s...Challenge was published in 1966 but internal chronography suggests it's set in 1955/6. Wouldn't Dr Jack The Great Doctor have known about the vaccine and made sure his children got it?

YorkshireTeaDrinker · 29/07/2014 23:28

Just found this thread and am tremendously excited to find out that downloadable transcripts are in circulation! I have most of the series in Armada paperback, acquired as a child, and a few hard backs and GGBP reprints, but am a couple of titles short of a complete set. I would be thrilled if someone could share the link to the transcripts with me.

Just to add my thoughts to the debate up thread about which would be a good starter CS book. My first was Eustacia and I followed that up with School At the CS and Jo of the CS. It's not a bad starting point, the school is established enough for the stories to be about school activities, rather than set up and there is not too much back history to try and understand. I much prefer the Tyrol books though.

BTW Robin, I think the poudre effect is referring to the 18th Century habit of powdering your hair ( or wearing a powdered wig) a la Marie Aintoinette.

JuniperTisane · 30/07/2014 07:20

I was always confused between Phil getting Mastoiditis in one book and being shipped of to San for an op off screen, then by the next book shes recovering from Polio. Its never mentioned (in the armadas anyway) how polio comes about but its there as a feature of ?two sams anyway.

i guess i was always a bit surprised that EBD missed an opportunity to shoehorn a big illness like that front and centre.

TooSpotty · 30/07/2014 10:44

I lost you all!

So interesting. I've read World of Girls so must get my hands on the other.

My parents were born before WW2 and I had several 'aunties' - actual and brevet - who were unmarried and had very strong female friendships. I shocked my mother in my teens by wondering whether one set were lesbians; she accepted these friendships as exactly that and no more. On one level these friendships obviously replaced a relationship with a man, but I'm pretty sure in retrospect that there was not a sexual element. Not that I reject that for everyone at all, but I think these passionate friendships were as much emotional as anything else.

As a child ghoul, I was very frustrated by Phil's off set illness. I wanted gory details.

Stokey · 30/07/2014 11:07

Can I marry Roger Richardson please?

I don't think I want a doctor when there is a broad-shouldered swimming gymnast (albeit it with a severed artery) waiting in the wings.

NellWilsonsWhiteHair · 30/07/2014 11:16

I feel that I am missing out on all this Phil polio/mastoiditis stuff. I must pay a bit more attention to the Swiss books but they're just so disappointing after spending time with the earlier ones If they're right towards the end, was she simply preoccupied with getting through everything as briskly as possible towards the triplets' final term? And I wonder how much attention she was really paying to real-world developments, even though health was one of her great themes.

Certainly Auchmuty concludes that whether there is a sexual element is irrelevant. I switch back and forth on this. I'm persuaded by the arguments on both sides - that passionate but fundamentally non-sexual relationships should be publicly celebrated more than they are, and that historically homosexual relationships have been systematically de-sexualised and a bit of reclaiming is in order. Probably these two things are not actually opposed: rather, they're both in opposition to the idea that every woman is waiting for one (male, sexual) permanent life partner, and anything before this is potentially temporary, until Dr Right shows up. It's only that privileging of a certain kind of relationship over all others which makes the precise identifying of others matter, I think. I can v clearly picture Joey insistently attempting to fix Nancy and Kathie up with various eligible San doctors...
In any case, no relationship in the series is likely to be properly sexual - including the numerous heterosexual marriages which produce children, so it's legitimately up to the reader what they choose to read in. As in real life, I imagine some such friendships really are 'just' friendships, some also include a sexual relationship, some are making-do because of no potential husband and others are delighted to be freed from the expectation of having a husband and revelling in the opportunity to be discreetly lesbian, and indeed some 'normal' het marriages are privately sexless and/or include people whose actual orientation doesn't match the sex of their partner.

When I was living with my ex, my grandmother once asked me how it was working out, living with my 'friend'. I didn't know then, and still don't know now, whether she meant exactly what she was asking, or whether she was tacitly acknowledging that my 'friend' was in fact my lover. And this is exactly when I think, even though it shouldn't matter, somehow it sometimes does.

I am only writing this at such involved length because I ought to be writing a dissertation which has precisely nothing to do with any of it...

NellWilsonsWhiteHair · 30/07/2014 11:17

Is it Roger Richardson who Jo beats in a swimming race?

Stokey · 30/07/2014 11:26

Well they tie. Obviously Jo can't be beaten Hmm but seems like EBD has a bit of a crush on young Roger.

Roger waved an arm above his head to show that he understood, turned over and made for Buchau landing with a powerful crawl which got him there in short order. He clambered out on to the shore-road, incidentally startling a couple of elderly ladies who had been so busy chatting that they never noticed him in the water, and when six foot or so of young man suddenly heaved itself out of the water and crossed the road a few yards in front of them, clad only in the exiguous swimming trunks the boys all wore, they shrieked with dismay and alarm

Wonder if Matey would allow "exiguous" gym skirts?

JuniperTisane · 30/07/2014 12:17

I bet the elderly ladies weren't either dismayed or alarmed, just shrieking Wink

NellWilsonsWhiteHair · 30/07/2014 14:06
Grin
mummytime · 30/07/2014 20:24

That is one film that will be kept in the scene in the Hollywood version.

JuniperTisane · 30/07/2014 20:38

O yes. Now who could we get to play Roger?

Happydaysatlastforthebody · 30/07/2014 20:40

Nell loving your posts too.

In the dreaded chalet girls grow up con has an affair with roger but he's a Boring fart. Grin

I remember watching morcome and wise as a child and they shared a bed. I don't remember anyone thinking that was strange but then I was 10!! Grin

SolidGoldBrass · 30/07/2014 23:30

Bundle of Armada paperbacks up on Ebay

Happydaysatlastforthebody · 31/07/2014 00:26

Oh solid I have those but still thrilled looking at them.

My ds did her MA dissitation on girls literature in the 30s, I mean really just a great excuse to read them and totally indulge in loads of other authors or what. Grin

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