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To just want to rant really...

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ICanHearYou · 09/07/2014 21:02

So we went to legoland today, the children, the ex and me.

I paid for everything, he is too poor and fair enough, he had to pay a lot out when he moved out at the end of May and I understand that.

I know a lot of people will think I am a mug for taking him to Legoland with us but I don't fancy doing it on my own, who would stay with the baby while I went on rides with the boy for example?

Anyway so we all went, I paid for the diesel on the way up there, asked him to meet me at the garage but he couldn't 'walk that far' (it is about 2 mins walk from his house' and then complained that I had not got him a coffee when I picked him up, I rarely buy coffee from the garage now because I am watching my calories and frankly would rather eat food than drink a latte, but I was having a treat day so got myself one. When I told him that I was paying out a lot of money for the day anyway, he told me that I had 'free coffee cards' in my purse and should have used one of them. Well yes I do have a free coffee card in my purse but I use them when I have no money and I NEED a coffee, like on my way to a night shift or whatever.

We get to fleet, I bought some sweeties for the children, mostly to placate them for the rest of the long journey, I bought 2 krispy creme donuts and we had half each between the four of us.

We got to legoland, used tickets I had bought on a selling page on facebook and they wouldn't let us have a child go in free because they were an offer or something, so he says 'you can pay for DS1 on my card if you like but you'll have to pay me straight back' I paid on my own card and we went in. I bought lunch (£30 for the three of us and the baby ate for free) I bought us drinks in there, got the children a purple angry birds pig each and then drove back, asked him to come and put the children to bed because I have a really sore hip, exacerbated by lots of driving and wanted to put it up.

I checked my bank and have enough money for a bill coming out next week, he informed me that I get plenty in tax credits so 'shouldn't have to worry about money ever' and then tried to blag me into buying him a coffee at Fleet (I didn't buy myself one, no money left!) and then got huffy when I said I had no money.

Get back, he is huffy about the children, I asked him to warm up some pizza and do a salad for me and the kids (I have been driving and paying all day at this point) he is huffy about that but eats some for himself too. Then puts the kids to bed, starts complaining about how tired he is and then leaves (finally) but he didn't once;

Thank me for taking him out
Thank me for buying him food
Thank me for us having a nice day all together

and I feel a bit used and cheated really. was putting the kids to bed and feeding them with food I'd bought really such a big deal after I'd really splashed out on us as a family? He was acting like I was being really unreasonable to ask him to do those things.

I think he was really unreasonable not to say thank you to me!

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PiperRose · 09/07/2014 23:03

Ok, like some poster I don't know any of your previous history with this guy, but your post made me think one thing.

I don't think you want this guy to be your ex.

ICanHearYou · 09/07/2014 23:21

Nicki if he'd have bothered to walk to the garage he could have bought his own sodding coffee. I spent over £150 today on the day out and the tickets, if it was someone else I wouldn't have bought them lunch, I would have asked for half of the tickets and I would have expected some diesel money.

Piper I am finding it difficult to let go of the idea that we will not be a family, I find that really hard as what I wanted for my children was for them to grow up with both of us around.

If I didn't want him as my ex, I wouldn't have made him my ex. It was entirely my choice and my decision.

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ICanHearYou · 09/07/2014 23:22

sparkly its definitely not you!

I feel a bit taken advantage of today I have to say. I think I need to reevaluate things, obviously I should not be feeling like this at the end of a great day.

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Lweji · 10/07/2014 00:02

I'm sorry, but this was from you
"I don't fancy doing it on my own, who would stay with the baby while I went on rides with the boy for example?"
But then, it's because you are a family. Which was it?

I think you need to evaluate to yourself what was the point of this trip and what you expected to gain from it.

The children won't necessarily thank you for the mixed messages, nor the atmosphere between you too during the day.
As for him, you are bailing him on one hand, but then expecting gratitude for "splashing out".

Plus, and I know you will get angry, but why on earth did you spend £150 going to Legoland when you have just enough for a bill next week? And only one child actually enjoyed it.
When you finish ranting you may actually want to take a breather and sort out priorities and expectations.

deakymom · 10/07/2014 00:05

your right to feel used i think its time to let go of the happy family ideal let him pay his own bills go out with the kids by yourself or with friends it gets easier and less stressful i took a couple of months to realise this it was christmas he had bought her nothing not even a card i ended up writing from mommy and daddy on the gifts i bought her and he worked paid nothing but i ended up feeding him buying gifts for him i did everything i had during the relationship but had no intimacy no reward no finances no HELP..........i ripped up the tags wtf she couldnt read anyway

MiscellaneousAssortment · 10/07/2014 00:38

Oh I know exactly how you feel.

I tried to keep the family joy together in special moments, and each time I felt stressed, and wistful and hurt.

The thing is, you can't be a happy family if one person has checked out of the marriage/ partnership. You end up covering up for him, doing the work of two grown ups, just to give your children the pretense for the day.

It ends up hurting you too much, you fall back into patterns of behaviour that aren't healthy for you, that aren't good for your children to see either - like letting someone spend all your money, use you like a cash machine, and take take take, then blame you when you try and say 'enough'. Your children aren't going to learn the right messages from that I'm afraid.

I had to let go, let go of the dream I'd had for my child. And realise that doing things with me, just had to be good enough, because I couldn't force stbxh to play the role of the good dad and good person.

Maybe you'll get to that point too one day Flowers

ICanHearYou · 10/07/2014 07:16

I will answer all your points separately Lewji but if you still don't get my perspective I don't think you ever will, I think you are being deliberately obtuse and I am not really sure why. Anyway here goes...

I'm sorry, but this was from you
"I don't fancy doing it on my own, who would stay with the baby while I went on rides with the boy for example?"
But then, it's because you are a family. Which was it?

Why does it have to be either or? Why can it not be both. It is difficult going to theme parks with two under fives, particularly when one is not tall enough for the majority of the rides. We did however, all enjoy it. I did not leave X holding the baby while I went on everything, we absolutely split everything so we both went on various things with the boy. Because we are a family and family help each other out AND want each other to be there. It is not one or the other, when you are a family unit, it is both.

I think you need to evaluate to yourself what was the point of this trip and what you expected to gain from it.

The point of the trip was to give the children a nice day out, which they had.

The children won't necessarily thank you for the mixed messages, nor the atmosphere between you too during the day.

I think my children were/are very thankful for days out actually and I think they enjoy spending time with both of their parents, I wouldn't have been able to take them both to legoland without their dad and most of the day was very pleasant, it was the late afternoon/early evening 'oh I'm so put apon what a poor bloke I am' attitude that fucked me off, I can't see how I am giving THEM mixed messages.

As for him, you are bailing him on one hand, but then expecting gratitude for "splashing out".

WTF do you mean by 'bailing him'? I don't expect gratitude for splashing out, I expect to be treated like a normal human being and have normal human interactions with someone I have just gone out of my way to accommodate on a family day out. If I have a nice day out shopping with my mum and we only spend our own money, I will thank her for a nice day, as I will if I see a friend for lunch or whatever, its not about money it is about acknowledgement of a person and a nice day. It means a lot you should try it

Plus, and I know you will get angry, but why on earth did you spend £150 going to Legoland when you have just enough for a bill next week? And only one child actually enjoyed it.

Well that is an enormous conclusion you have just jumped too, why not ask me calmly about bills? Why the attack? Is this how you communicate in RL with people?

I have a bill of nearly £200 that I pay out on the 17th of every month, because it is such a huge bill I tend to split if over several weeks, so right now I have half of it in my bank account and next week when I get more money I will have the rest, aside from paying my bill I have £90 for the children and I to eat with, buy diesel and so on, I buy plenty of gas and electric in advance. I have enough money to pay my bills, feed my family AND spend £150 going to legoland, so if that is what I chose to do then that is what I will do. I don't know what you assume I should be doing with my own money but if I manage it well there is plenty of money for extras and events. That doesn't mean, however, that I WANT to pay out for someone so fucking up their own arsehole that they cannot so much as acknowledge a nice day, or put their own children to bed at the end of the day without grunting and grumbling about it.

BOTH the children enjoyed their day very much, the baby couldn't go on all the rides but he could go on some of them, which we all went on together. He slept for 2 hours of it and had plenty of ice cream and pizza and baby friendly events to keep him happy!

When you finish ranting you may actually want to take a breather and sort out priorities and expectations.

My children, having a lovely time and enjoying themselves, feeling like they still have both of us even though we are separated.

My expectation is that we can act like adults and work together at making nice family experiences for them without resorting to treating each other like shit for fuck knows what reason.

It has been a priority of mine to keep X a clear and obvious member of this family, in order for the boys to be happy and comfortable. I think the only priority I need to address is that one. My bills are paid on time, we have food on the table and I think I will be out of debt by February, I think I am doing okay actually.

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ICanHearYou · 10/07/2014 07:22

miscellaneous Thanks for your post, interesting to hear from someone who has been in the same boat.

I think I need to get to that point, he is definitely helping me find it though!

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slartybartfast · 10/07/2014 07:28

it is a big ask from all of you to have family days out when you are no longer living as a family.
it is bound to end uncomfortably.
perhaps he felt kept, hence the no thanks from him.

ICanHearYou · 10/07/2014 07:35

Well obviously I am the cunt here so I will inform him that we won't be doing such things together as a family anymore.

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slartybartfast · 10/07/2014 07:39
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HappyAgainOneDay · 10/07/2014 07:43

I hope your rant has helped. It does help to get frustrations off your chest.

You won't like to hear this but you no longer have a family of four. There are just three - you and your DC. Please get used to that idea or you will finish up in the same situation that you had before. You will be the doormat again and including your Ex in 'family' business the way you do will make him think that he'll be back over the doorstep fairly soon.

He will obviously not change. The less you have to do with him the better. And never mind what your DCs think. If he wants to have anything to do with them, he ought to be proactive about it. Don't put the opportunity his way.

ICanHearYou · 10/07/2014 07:44

Well he looks after them while I work at the weekend. I can't really get away from that at the moment.

Maybe in a year or two.

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ICanHearYou · 10/07/2014 07:45

No my rant hasn't helped, now I just feel worse.

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sharonthewaspandthewineywall · 10/07/2014 07:53

Oh dear ican please calm down nobody is attacking you. Is there a lot of guilt behind your split still?

odyssey2001 · 10/07/2014 08:04

I feel for you. It must have been really hard to keep up appearances for the kids all day when your ex clearly has a lot of contempt for you.

The main purpose of the day was to give the kids a nice day out with both of their parents. I don't think that is an unreasonable or unrealistic expectation even though you are separated. Your day, on that front, was a success.

It is clear money is an issue for him therefore I would make sure that the next time you do it it is as cheap a day as possible. That way when he moans, you can afford to buy him a coffee (and shove it up his backside, lid and all). He is acting like a spolt, entitled child so just think of him that way.

Did you know he was likely to behave like this? If so, well done for braving it. If not, now you know what to expect next time.

Moving forward, you now need to decide what is now important - your sanity and happiness or your desire to still do things as a "family" (which you still are, biologically at least)?

The silver linings to this are that the kids had fun and you found out what things are going to be like in the future. You are now better prepared for what is to come with him. Good luck.

ICanHearYou · 10/07/2014 08:19

Somebody suggests I am not able to manage my own finances (with fuck all proof) and they are 'not attacking me' RTFT Sharon

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ICanHearYou · 10/07/2014 08:27

Yes he has shown a few examples of behaving like this odyssey He claims he doesn't have any issues but then acts like a disgruntled child whenever he gets the opportunity.

He keeps insisting that we 'sit down and talk about debts again and again even though we already have done. I am actually paying (ridiculous amounts) more towards our shared debt than he is but he is still insistent that I am taking him for a ride or that I should be giving him money (or something)

Its very frustrating for me and I wish he wouldn't do it.

The thing is, I wouldn't be able to work if he didn't come and look after the children on a friday and saturday, so I am happy to pay for days out and stuff while he is broke, I am sure it won't be forever and its nice for the children.

Just not if I am going to be left feeling like I have been taken advantage of or looked down on despite trying my hardest.

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Lweji · 10/07/2014 08:34

Regardless of what you believe, parents being separated and ten having "lovely" family days out can be very confusing for them.

And the point was that between both of you you are struggling financially (if a bill of 200 is large). I wouldn't spend 150 to effectively take one child to an expensive theme park. To the point that then you get so upset by it.

Children can love the local park just as much.

It sounds a bit like overcompensating for the split. Take it easy.

And in the middle of all this he is still the cunt, but tbh you'd still be in the same position with a there there. I do think this was a bad plan, though, and even if you think I'm being a cunt, I hope it will save you some future grief if you do look at the role you played in this and how to avoid it in future.

ICanHearYou · 10/07/2014 09:25

A £200 bill is large to most people. Are you suggesting that people who work hard shouldn't visit theme parks?

You are being ridiculous, I have bills that are large (£200) and I STILL save and I STILL take my children on adventures and I will always do that.

You have no right to tell me what to do with my own fucking money!

I am not overcompensating for anything, it is always my aim to do one really exciting thing with the children a month in the summer, I want to give them memories for life, I cannot believe that I am being berated for that!

Regardless, my issue is not with spending the money, it is with spending the money and then being treated like shit by one of the benefactors of that money. If he wasn't there I would still spend the money, I just wouldn't feel like shit!

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slartybartfast · 10/07/2014 09:29

he is not just a benefactor though is he?
he is your Ex
how does he feel about being your ex but still being there to do the fun family stuff you crave?

ICanHearYou · 10/07/2014 09:34

I wouldn't know slarty he has never shown a single hint of emotion about the whole thing. He says he loves doing things with the children and as a family but his actions say differently.

He is the father of my children first and foremost, that has always been the angle I have come at it from, the fact that we didn't work out should be secondary to that.

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slartybartfast · 10/07/2014 09:37

wouldnt it be better for him to take them out on his own for a fun day? then you wont have to have such expectations?

he has only just left i take it? so it is early days yet.

ICanHearYou · 10/07/2014 09:39

I split up with him on the 23rd May, he was sofa surfing for a week after that so properly moved his stuff out at the beginning of June

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ICanHearYou · 10/07/2014 09:40

They are nearly 2 and nearly 4, it would be impossible to take them both to Legoland without there being two adults.

He doesn't drive, has no money and very little ambition. He just wouldn't have those experiences with them if I did engineer them

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