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to think you'll miss your GP when they're gone...

259 replies

macdoodle · 04/07/2014 12:34

I have been roundly criticised on other thread for trying to express this. And whilst I admit that highjacking someone's thread may not have been the best way to do it, the crisis in NHS GP is very real.
I have bee around MN for a very long time now, and sometimes the anti GP sentiment is astounding and utterly depressing.
So read this...he is not a GP (I am), but this article absolutely sums up the current problems and morale in GP at the moment.
I have been a doctor for 20 years and a GP (or in GP training) since 1999 and can honestly say that NHS GP is in very real danger of being gone very soon.
For those who continually slate GP's , please tell me what your better suggestion is, because I trained in a country with no national GP service, and it really isnt better in any way.
www.conservativehome.com/platform/2014/03/from-adrian_hilton-the-looming-manpower-crisis-in-gp-land.html

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macdoodle · 06/07/2014 12:57

Wow your H knows the GMC takes a very very dim view of prescribing for family. Am quite shocked but not all that surprised.
Where did anyone say we were all going to australia ? Most of us can't even if we wanted to.

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OafOrForksAche · 06/07/2014 12:59

Your husband has prescribed private prescriptions to you?

You do know if the GMC knew about this he could get into trouble?

macdoodle · 06/07/2014 13:00

Your H shows a worrying god complex.

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OafOrForksAche · 06/07/2014 13:00

And Old I never called you a goady fucker directly. But with every encounter we have had, I do think you act like one.

ThisIsYourSong · 06/07/2014 13:24

I lived in the UK for 10 years and am from New Zealand, where we pay for our doctor's visits. It's $35 (about £17.50) for adults and recently free for children. Low income or high users pay a nominal sum.

I much prefer the system here, nearly all the doctors are great at my practice, you can always get an appointment on the same day or urgent appointments at weekends or evenings. The doctors always listen, examine and will prescribe where necessary. I've never felt rushed or fobbed off. If you don't see your own doctor, they have a meeting at the end of the day where they talk about consults. All follow ups are by your own doctor.

E.g. With DS1 in London, went to the doctor for reflux. Four appointments later, finally see a paediatrician at 4 months old to be prescribed Losec. No follow up even though we tried and tried as his pain never went away completely.
With Ds3 in NZ, at six week check up - I think he has reflux. Here you go, have some Losec and come back for a checkup. If he doesn't improve we will refer to a paediatrician

You can get almost anything on prescription, including paracetamol or nurofen for children or adults, my GP prescribed vitamins for PMT.

I had to go private in London once - letter required for flying and had to be within 48 hours before flight. It was really really expensive. The NHS doctor was also charging but it took three days to write it. There must be some medium out there.

OldFarticus · 06/07/2014 13:34

Well if goady fucker = anyone who doesn't think the current UK system of healthcare delivery is unassailable, then yes.

It baffles me why GP's react so aggressively to any suggestion of reform. I am hiding this thread now because I have to work Parting - and genuine - question for those who think the NHS is so great: why has no other country copied it?

desertgirl · 06/07/2014 13:46

You can't give private prescriptions to family? I've had prescriptions for me or kids from my siblings before when back in the UK, in one case the pharmacist thought it was my name as prescriber (same surname, same initial) and didn't bat an eyelid, just confused me by asking something I had no idea about! What is the actual rule?

macdoodle · 06/07/2014 13:48

Because if funded adequately it is very expensive and can be sorely abused. I am happy for an alternative I just don't think denigrating and abusing GPs so that they can be blamed for it's collapse is fair or right, and I don't think the government give a toss what happens after.

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LoxleyBarrett · 06/07/2014 14:01

I've not got time to read the whole thread, but though I would throw in my comments anyway and read later.

I work in primary care (not a Doctor) and I personally think that the NHS and GPs are bloody marvellous. As with all professions there are a few bad eggs, but it you don't like it, change.

The main issue is that primary care is collapsing under a system that does not work. Successive governments have added layers and layers of bureaucracy which stop us from doing our jobs.

Patients are more demanding, this can be a good thing, but often they want the undeliverable.

The money isn't there anymore, we need to be innovative, work together and ensure that skills are appropriately utilised.

A recent report shows that my local A&E spent 800K last year treating minor ailments - why do these patients even get through the door? First port of call should be the pharmacy with a consistently commissioned minor ailments service and rapid referral to GP / practice nurse when needed.

Too often we work in isolation and this needs to be addressed before we lose the NHS for good.

desertgirl · 06/07/2014 14:01

Thanks macdoodle. I will try not to ask for any more (not entitled to NHS treatment!) though if the UAE runs out of my epilepsy meds again (or they get stuck in customs - same effect) not guaranteeing it!

I'm perfectly happy with my medical care over here but oh dear the drug issues....!

macdoodle · 06/07/2014 14:10

Private GP here or some NHS GPs will see and do script as a private patient a lot cheaper. With the anti doctor sentiment and witch hunt mentality it's really not worth it.

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Givealittlerespect · 06/07/2014 14:24

Post lost earlier when MN went offline was that the point about you will miss us when we are gone is actually a very valid threat...GPs are now leaving in droves earlier than before, when the tendency was to work on...because the gift are messing with pensions and reputations via the media which really isn't fair.
Hospital Drs in acute specialties at now undersubscribed...previously unthinkable, because no clinicians have control over strategy anymore it's in the hands of the managers now. They are driven by cost, we are driven by saving lives and a safe system . It's demoralising that they don't listen and cut corners in the short term and don't think about the long term. They have intentionally trashed Drs in the press so that the public turn against them. We go the extra mile out if goodwill... But that goodwill is abused and people are leaving to go abroad instead.

OafOrForksAche · 06/07/2014 14:35

Missing the point yet again old. GPs aren't against reform. The system does need reform! But we refuse to take the blame for the shitty old system which the Government, Media and patronising goady fuckers try to pile on to us.

Of course if the system ever changed to one you want, I wonder how you would react if your husband's business did not profit well out of it.

Personally I would not feel comfortable having treatment from a consultant who is so arrogant as to flout the guidelines the GMC put in to place. It brings up more questions about his integrity in his practice with other patients.

RevoltingPeasant · 06/07/2014 14:39

Will stop posting on here after this but....

forksache you have quoted me repeatedly as the poster who said about drs' jobs being very difficult and thinking of others during a recession.

I find this so dishonest! Please go back and read my post properly, where I say very clearly that you have an extraordinarily hard job, and should be remunerated and treated accordingly.

but it's a bit of a reality gap when many many professions are under stress! mass redundancies taking place, people working zero hours contracts and multiple jobs just to put food on the table.

That is all. Please don't suggest I said you don't deserve a fair wage or don't work incredibly hard at a very skilled job. You are seeing bashing where there is general support, and turning this into us versus them when it needn't be.

settingsitting · 06/07/2014 14:48

Appears I have stumbled on a grey area.
I guessed that that was what OldF's family was doing. - prescribing privately.

I work abroad and have excellent healthcare , with everything funded by insurance.
OF - presumably you have the very best insurance.
What is that system like for everyone else?

OafOrForksAche · 06/07/2014 14:48

Dishonest??? :D how dramatic. And I haven't 'repeatedly' said it. I said it a mere 2 times and the second was a response to old not you.

Yes you said that then went on to say some doctors on here seem to think they work exceptionally hard AND badly paid.

No one has said we are badly paid. There are problems with our wages which are more complex than that

But we do work exceptionally hard and your second paragraph a few pages back negated your original opinion IMO.

Dishonest eh. Honestly I actually did LOL at that. :D

settingsitting · 06/07/2014 14:50

To be fair though, those GMC guidelines are not saying it is disallowed as far as I can see.
And if it is more convenient, and you trust your partner more than any other doctor, why not?

RevoltingPeasant · 06/07/2014 14:54

I don't really think it's dramatic to complain about being quoted selectively twice.

Anyhow, whatever. I support GPs and the NHS but you don't want to know.

OafOrForksAche · 06/07/2014 14:54

And we were not turning into is versus them. People like old are doing that.

And you did mention the recession (twice now) and how unrealistic it is to not be happy with the way our salaries have been treated when others are struggling.

I don't think ANYONE in the UK no matter what job they do is happy with their wage and the way the recession has hit us all. Why should doctors just shut up and accept things but others can moan? Yes we earn a good wage (I'm not complaining about that) but that's after years after graduation. The juniors don't earn as much as you'd think, I earned the same as my husband who is a non medic when I was an f1/f2. Our wage issue is complicated but we do deserve to be upset about it.

RevoltingPeasant · 06/07/2014 15:02

Forks look I'm not up for a fight. Yes I agree lots of people's wages could be improved. And I have said repeatedly I think medics deserve good salaries. In my own profession, wages have gone down massively in real terms in the past 20 years. But also, it is very hard to get a job in my sector and I am very conscious that there are loads of people who trained for 7+ years and now work for NMW. Or, that no matter how stressful my job is, I am so damn lucky because I don't have to worry about how to pay for my weekly shop.

Fine, have a moan, but some sense of context would be nice.

I guess I feel that the whole way this,thread has been framed is us v them. Maybe OP didn't mean it like that but I think many of us have read that way.

settingsitting · 06/07/2014 15:05

People earning over a certain wage, and especially those with a pension too, [and I dont care which profession], should talk about their financial woes in private.

It also means that their other words are taken more seriously.

Gobbolinothewitchscat · 06/07/2014 15:06

Our GPs are absolutely lovely. I have two DC, 18 months and 5 months. Both will be seen same day if I call up and that's with anything

They arrange DH's annual infectious blood test at 8:00am so he doesn't have to cancel a clinic dentist and quite often the GP will do it if a nurse isn't available

When DS pfb was 10 days old, I noticed in a photo that he had one red eye (normal with the flash) but the other eye hadn't flashed red. I googled and obviously it said all sorts of awful things. Called up, was seen that day, reassured that it was absolutely the right thing to do to come in, an urgent referral was made to the eye hospital, the GP chased it so he was to be seen two days later and she came to the house that evening to hand deliver the referral letter, let me know about the appointment and to check I was ok and didn't have anything else to ask.

I obviously felt a right tit at the hospital when the consultant told me it was just the angle I had taken the photo at Grin. However, he was lovely too

Can't speak highly enough of them and they are all the same. However, I have had some not so good GPs too

OafOrForksAche · 06/07/2014 15:15

I disagree setting sitting because it is one of the ways the government are trying to use to punish doctors as well as the pasting we get in the media. There has been a blatant agenda to denigrate doctors since the Tories got in. Well, it is blatant to those in the profession but has been quite insidious to the general public so they don't realise and we look greedy and precious about the pay aspect of things. This then compounds the general agenda that Doctor Are Responsible For All the Bad In The NHS (and why we should have private healthcare instead) because if we are really moaning when we all earn £200k plus and spend half our daily working hours on the golf course then maybe we ARE the bad guys and should be punished!

It's so sneaky and awful no wonder we are angry, frustrated etc. because we CANT moan about it all because we do earn a reasonable wage and are seen as greedy fuckers.

My agenda is not the money. I didn't go into GP to earn.

My agenda is the NHS could be brilliant. But the Tories are determined to destroy it from the inside out. And that terrifies me. My agenda is for my patients. I want my patients to be in safe hands. If the Tories have their way they won't be.

Revolting I don't want to fight either. But I'm not going to sit quietly when I being told I'm dishonest. I'm certainly not that. The thing I'm guilty of most is slim reading because this subject gets me so angry.

settingsitting · 06/07/2014 15:21

Not sure that this is the time or thread, but were Labour any different? Disclaimer, I am a floating voter.

Isnt the real issue that money is in tighter supply all round?