To think that Saville was NEVER a "Much loved family favourite"???

[MrsWinnibago]

Sorry to start a thread about this sick, awful animal but they just said on Radio 4 that he was a much loved family favourite.

I CLEARLY remember watching him on Jim'l Fix It and thinking "Oh he's HORRIBLE!"

I hated him...he was frightening and I could see that some children were very scared of him on that show.

Did ANYONE actually enjoy his "performances" and appearances?? I don't think so.

I think the establishment kept him where he was...on TV and in positions of power because he knew too much about THEIR activities.

And it's funny how it all came out once he was dead and couldn't name anyone else.

I challenge anyone to think back and remember how much they "loved" him at the time before his activities were known.

I don't want to derail the thread but the point of people talking about victim blaming is if you WERE one of the poor people he did abuse you might read a thread like this and feel like shit, and it was your fault somehow for not being wary. I know that is not what anyone who is saying they thought he was creepy is intending to say - but honestly if you were a victim how would it make you feel?

I'm not the right era to comment on JS. But my mum refused to let my sister and I meet Michael Jackson when the opportunity came up. It was a lot easier for her to do that in the 90s with access to the internet to look up articles than it would have been for any parent or child with a bad feeling in the 70s.

I don't want to derail the thread but the point of people talking about victim blaming is if you WERE one of the poor people he did abuse you might read a thread like this and feel like shit, and it was your fault somehow for not being wary. I know that is not what anyone who is saying they thought he was creepy is intending to say - but honestly if you were a victim how would it make you feel?

I'm not the right era to comment on JS. But my mum refused to let my sister and I meet Michael Jackson when the opportunity came up. It was a lot easier for her to do that in the 90s with access to the internet to look up articles than it would have been for any parent or child with a bad feeling in the 70s.

Unless pedophiles can all if a sudden "get you" through the telly I don't really understand this.

My mother recklessly allowed me to watch Christopher Lee in Dracula films, sometimes on the same day she let me watch Jim'll Fix It. I survived.

Of course, I have to stay in during daylight hours, but I don't blame her for not protecting me...

How on earth can saying someone looked a bit creepy and not to watch him on the telly protect you? There are loads of creepy looking men on TV I won't list them due to MN's sensitivities, but I'd hardly turn on the telly if I wanted to avoid my children seeing creepy-looking men say on game shows or as hosts (I think it's because they have to be so fake anyway).

I loved Jim'll Fix It when younger, not Jimmy himself, just the fixes. I thought his hair looked lank and greasy and that's as far as my instinct went.

I am amazed at all these people whose mums 'just knew' and wonder what else they might 'just know' that may or may not turn out to be true. Millions obviously did like his programmes and believe his charity persona otherwise he wouldn't have been able to carry on so long or for it to have been such a shock when the revelations came out (they wouldn't have been shocking revelations if we had all somehow sensed it).

Where were all these people with twanging spidey senses when I needed them in that humungous Euro Millions draw the other week?

I know where they are now, of course - MN-ing from sun-deck of a fuck-off yacht in the South of France

We didn't have a tv growing up in the 70s and 80s, so I had never really seen Jim'll fix it although I knew who he was and what he looked like etc.

Then he came to our town for something or other when I was maybe 8 or 9. There were hoards of people queuing to get his autograph, so I just joined the queue.

I got his autograph, but I remember really not understanding what the big deal was about him. I was really confused that people were laughing at his banter. I don't remember the content, but remember it wasn't funny whatever it was, yet everyone was laughing. And he did the hideous uhuhuhuh thing that I had heard kids imitating in the playground but had never heard for real.

I left feeling pretty confused and could not understand why he was so popular. I wouldn't say I was creeped out or anything by him, but I just didn't get why he was so popular.

My mum wouldn't let us-she always said, even then that there was something deeply nasty about him and that he wasn't right somehow

So your mum can see paedophiles just be looking at them on a TV screen? Or can she sniff them out?

I SO respect your mum for this. She did what adults should have done and she protected you.

This is like something off Brass Eye.

Describing Jimmy Saville was a bit weird in the 1980s is hardly the work of a soothsayer, anyone with a set of eyes in their head could see his whole public persona was based on being an oddball and as such he was a bit of a Marmite figure.

It isn't the same thing as knowing he was a child abuser or up to anything.

Yes, just like all the people who 'just knew' Colin Stagg had killed Rachael Nickell becasue he was odd.

Or the people who 'know' that the McCann's killed their daughter as they were insufficently weepy in the initial press conferences.

Or Joanne Lees was implicated in the killing of her boyfriend in the outback.

Or those who accused Chris Jeffries of kililng Joanna Yates on the basis he dressed eccentrically.

Instinct is often bollocks.

The thing is, there was no need for 'instinct' actually there were loads of witnesses and victims who reported his actual actions to figures in authority, hospital management, even to the police and were dismissed, or it was covered up, or not investigated properly. There was plenty of real evidence, that's the tragedy.

Yes that's true then but we aren't talking about the actual victim but those who claim they 'know' or 'sensed it' by seeing Jimmy Saville on TV.

I could never watch him. Hwme made me feel sick for some reason. I do think he was protected at very high levels........he didnt even much bother to hide what he was doing. The number blind eyes that were turned, that HAD to have been turned are actually unfathomable, and in many ways, those people are even more culpable than Saville. Most sexual predators thrive on and rely on secrecy, he didnt have too.

This is the point that I just start laughing, slightly hysterically. I mean, eyeballs, for god's sake. Fucking EYEBALLS!! And the world looked on...

BrokenButNotFinishedI had the same thought but buttoned it in an uncharacteristic attack of restraint.

Sometimes I do wonder what colour is the sky in some people's world...

I feel the same as OP but I wasn't a child in his prime I grew up in late 80s and 90s when he was seen as a freak and a bit of an embarrassment.

One of my mates met him as a child and loved him, she couldn't believe the allegations were true.

It was an open joke he was a peado but I didn't actually think he had done anything. The scale of all this is so disgusting.

I think what was said on "This Morning" today was accurate.

The title of him being a Paedophile needs to be dropped in the light of him having sex with the corpse at the hospitals he was doing charity work in.

He was a clever sexual deviant, who enjoyed roping in the country's most powerful people, so that he was untouchable.

This Mornibg surprised me in the depth of the analysis on JS.

The rumours were being circulated and for very plausible reasons ignored.

I think that we can only learn from the "putting on a pedestal of some people" and the demonisation of other groups if people.

This was very much based on Gender, Colour and status.

It is why a lot of the recently uncovered scandals have gone undetected for so long.

Well clearly David Icke forums are going to be full of very sensible and reliable people

Thanks for the warnings about linking paedophilia to homosexuality - tried to look up stuff about That Person We Can't Mention and there was a lot of nasty homophobic and anti-Semitic stuff along with stuff that might actually be true.

That's the problem I think - stuff that may actually be true and covered up is just hidden by so much offensive and clearly not true bollocks by conspiracy theorists.

"Instinct is often bollocks."

This is my new favourite sentence. I will use it all the time.

Instinct is often bollocks????

Just because people will assume that someone they see on television accused of a crime is a criminal and put it down to instinct, is no reason to disregard instinct.

I always told my daughter to trust her instincts, in the sense that if she feels that someone is creepy, keep away from them. She may be wrong, so she shouldn't be unpleasant, but...

What Birds said. He wasn't just a paedophile but a full blown psychopath. Most of us have been lucky enough not to encounter one... Now we have. It's terrifying, because it makes you realise how powerless we really are to protect.

If anything as a child I felt a bit sorry for him because he was funny looking with silly hair and wore odd clothes.

....finds her life limited by baseless fears or frightened of everything.

"I always told my daughter to trust her instincts, in the sense that if she feels that someone is creepy, keep away from them. She may be wrong, so she shouldn't be unpleasant, but..."

I hope you also tell her to be wary of people who her instincts tell her are completely trustworthy, because they are just as likely to be wrong 'uns as the "creepy" ones. Possibly even more likely, because they've cracked the "appearing trustworthy" thing.

exactly the people we need to worry about are the ones we cant spot, the unintelligent psychopath who cant control his/her temper is likely to end up in jail.

The one with the greater intellect, the ability to control his urges and direct his energies is much more likely to stay off the radar

Hakyulylt exactly