To think that Saville was NEVER a "Much loved family favourite"???

[MrsWinnibago]

Sorry to start a thread about this sick, awful animal but they just said on Radio 4 that he was a much loved family favourite.

I CLEARLY remember watching him on Jim'l Fix It and thinking "Oh he's HORRIBLE!"

I hated him...he was frightening and I could see that some children were very scared of him on that show.

Did ANYONE actually enjoy his "performances" and appearances?? I don't think so.

I think the establishment kept him where he was...on TV and in positions of power because he knew too much about THEIR activities.

And it's funny how it all came out once he was dead and couldn't name anyone else.

I challenge anyone to think back and remember how much they "loved" him at the time before his activities were known.

I think one possibility is that children who had had some experience of dodginess by a young age might have picked up more of a sense for it. Not necessarily from being abused but if for example there was a local person their parents didn't trust or a family member they knew to stay away from.

For some children, the idea of a dodgy person that gives you the creeps will have developed by that age, for others it won't. And of course you could have that reaction to someone innocent too. It's not necessarily about being more perceptive.

Limited I apologise if my memory makes you uncomfortable but that's YOUR issue and not mine. I did feel that....I can remember one child not smiling ONCE throughout his "sofa presentation" thing where he gave the medal etc and this same child looked miserable and yes...cowed. And it was then that I thought "I don't like him at all." and felt empathy for the child.

I'm not going to lie about something like that am I? Why should I feel bad for the truth of the matter? That's what I felt....I thought others would have similar memories and yes...some do...some don't but where have I said that makes them LESS than me?

I didn't know people would be offended by my memory.

I'm one of those who always thought him a creep. In fact, I find it odd that there's anyone who didn't think he was a creep, because it was so obvious. I know that in real life psychopaths are often charming, but he wasn't. He had creep written all over him. Perhaps that was his protection - that he appeared to be so weird people thought he couldn't possibly be as weird as he seemed.

Bee maybe. That is a possibility. I did experience a few "dodgy" encounters...not abuse as such but definitely a bit dodgy.

And I would like to add that I think this discussion is turning out to be very interesting...very enlightening too.

My fault for not reading the entire thread - I'm not the first person to make that point.

Re: the dead bodies thing - those rumours were always so revolting one assumed they must be made up. Looks as if they may have been true after all. Bloody hell - how on earth did he get away with it for all those years?

Nigella I've read a lot of the DI thread about a year or so ago. Not read it since then it's sickening and very, very scary.

The references were there. Hints were dropped in scripts and broadcast in programmes.

Andrew Marshall wrote 2:4 Children. It was repeated on Drama last year.

This is why its quite fresh in my mind.
There is a scene where Jenny is arguing with her brother and her last parting shot is "So is Jimmy Savile but I wouldn't want him coming into my room"

After the sad death of the FABULOUS Rik Mayall. ive been watching Filthy Rich and Catflap on youtube (id seen Young Ones and Bottom New Statesman etc)

In episode 3 of Filthy Rich and Catflap (Dinner Party) there is a reference to "child brothels and Tory MPs"

I think people were trying to tell us. And the ppl I saw on the news today said ppl were too scared to come forward.

The ones who DID come forward didn't get believed ,were told they were silly or were shut in solitary confinement.

Dark those sort of "jokes" have been around since Victorian times...
about clergymen and prostitutes and MPs and call girls etc.

Because there has ALWAYS been corruption where there is power.

I never liked him but felt like he must be ok seeing as everyone else seemed to like him.

No hindsight needed here. He always gave me the creeps. Couldn't stand Jim'll Fix it- so obviously about him. I don't like people who make such a big show of what they do for charity.

He was irritating beyond words on TOTP and unlike Alan Freeman or Paul Gambaccini had no taste in or interest in music.

Im aware of that OP but the 2:4 Children one is quite specific no?

I loved 'Jim'll Fix It' and occasionally listened to him on the radio. I loved the format of the tv show. What child wouldn't? But the thing I visualise most is his eyes. My mental picture of him (at the age he would have been when I was a child) is with blond pageboy cut and the dead eyes. I don't know if anyone else remembers that other programme Louis Theroux did in a US prison? He interviewed a guy in a caged area, wearing a straightjacket type arrangement - and the guy looked (apart from the restraints) clean, tidy, not unusual... but there was something so wrong about his body language and his face and they eyes - like there was nothing there. And then you discover that he's tortured and so on - and so yes, there was no humanity there. No empathy, no mercy. That's what Jimmy Saville's eyes are like to me.

I think another part of his acceptance by society (I don't know if someone has said this further up thread) is that he had served his country as a Bevin boy, which must have been bloody hard going at the time.

The thing I keep wondering - and this is in no way to excuse his monstrosity - is what the hell happened to him as a child to make him like this??

I was born in 1975 and he was a family favourite.

Bigger than Ant and Dec are now because he made children's dreams come true....which is why it's so terrible what has happened

Evening all,
as a few people have mentioned already, it might get us into very hot water to be speculating about the involvement of others in this utterly horrible news story. Thanks to those who are keeping an eye out for HQ.

Cyril Smith's dead. Fortunately.

I met JS in the mid 70s when I would have been about 10. A friend and I wrote to try to get on Jim'll Fix It about the same time, most likely after meeting him so I clearly wasn't put off.

I have no recollection of thinking he was anything other than a friendly bloke off the telly. He appeared to be alone and was "off duty" at the time so wearing a normal tracksuit and only recognisable by his hair. A group of us at school camp saw him running on the beach and then bombarded him with requests for autographs in the cafe.

Years later I thought how nice he had been, taking time out of his private life when some celebs are known to be horrible in similar circumstances. Poor chap being descended on by a bunch of marauding kids when trying to enjoy a quiet holiday... on a little Devon beach right by a large permanent school campsite

A few years ago I lived in Scarborough briefly. Saville had a house there, but wasn't there all the time.

Several locals had told me that he was a pedophile and that it was well-known. I never took much notice as I would always hear this from drunk locals down the pub.

Apologies if nobody can say, but what are the DI forums? Do people mean Digital Spy? I googled but 'DI forums' just brings up stuff about trance music

DI = David Icke forums

Wow, there is a u tube compliation of Jimmy savile on it there is a very very clear shot of an actual eye ball on his neck lace, I am amazed the media has not picked up on it, they are showing un clear pics of his rings, on this video, its a very obvious eye ball.

myrtle probably David Icke forums. I think there's a whole section on child abuse there (and lots of tin hat stuff as well, of course).