Ive Just shopped someone for benefit fraud, do I deserve to burn in hell.

[Gulitladen]

I feel quite bad.

This person is an acquaintance, She was a single parent for a few months, then she met someone who pretty much moved in, he was paying her bills for her and moved in properly earlier this year.

She has always worked full time with a salary of around 20k.

She seems to have an awful lot of money, and, as a single parent myself, I couldnt quite work it out. However, I have seen her tax credits renewal form as she didnt understand something and asked me to have a look for her, and shes claiming to be a lone parent, working 16.3 hours a week, earning 12k a year less than she actually is.

She is also claiming housing benefit as a single parent.

So, I have completed the DWP form and sent it off. I couldnt help it, it makes me see red.

But I now feel terrible.

You've come onto the thread to try and make everyone think a bit more about what drives people to commit benefit fraud yet use an example of a house buying jet setting cousin which plays right into their hands.

I give up.

Tantrums you can only have the handbags if you can prove goat ownership.

I'm not cool. I think I'm having a little hot flush. But I am well groovy.

Can I please hide in one of your handbags.

Cleanin I already told you that's not always the case, it certainly wasn't in my case. Had I worked a minimum wage job legitimately I'd have been fucked. Plus I was desperately looking for a proper job and getting nothing, I had qualifications and experience but couldn't find a thing, it's soul destroying out there (or was a few years ago, things are picking up!)

No because most people don't ha en jobs which enable them to buy a house. Some people are in low paid work and can't get a mortgage. These are the people who social housing should be for not people like your cousin claiming just whilst working to save a deposit to buy a council house to sell at a profit to get where she wants to be as quick as possible. Your working on the assumption everyone is like you in good jobs and have ell on hard time when they are not. They are working low paid jobs and waiting years for a council house because hey can't afford to buy or rent.

Benefits should be there to help the people who need help not to help people keep a house to pass onto their kids or to help someone to buy their council flat to sell on.

Harold how many kids from rough care homes in dodgy areas with no real qualifications and prospects who are handed a council house as a teenager do you know who then work their way up to well off middle class business and home owner? What she did was awesome and I'd rather everyone who started off like her did that. Most of the kids who were in her care home are still on benefits in council houses now and the kids they had as teenagers are heading the same way. Why can't you see long term?

Corey her 3 jobs were a bar in the evenings, cleaning at the weekends and dogsbody in a care home during the week.

Women in abusive relationships are extremely vulnerable under our benefits system. I wouldn't shop somebody in that situation. In fact I wouldn't shop somebody full stop because for certain it won't make the situation better for anybody. There are usually kids involved. They do not need mum in prison.
What the OP should have done is point out to her friend that the information is wrong, convince her that it puts her at risk to continue, help her with an amended claim and support her as she gets sorted out. If she won't do that then at least the OP would have made her feelings clear.

Handed a council house? Really?

I agree with MrsMaturin

MrsDowneyJunior

Gives up. People are not handed council houses. Yes she worked 3 jobs whilst claiming jsa and saving a deposit to buy her council flat at a huge discount and sell on at a massive profit. If your on with this then good. I know loads of people who have lived on council estates and now own their homes and not through using the RTB scheme. I think you have been watching too many CHI documentaries about council estates.

My 3dbs were brought up on a council estate and so we're my dps. All my dB's own their own home and have never claimed a penny

The only point I can see you making is that its OK for people to work up to "middle class" or "middle class" folk down on their luck to claim benefits, and ones they are not even entitled to.

But people born into it, are often sponging chavs wanting to crank out babies.

Is that your point? Because I am totally confused I have to say.

Yeah cos the only kids in care homes come off council estates

Who looked after your cousins child during the week, evenings and at weekends, Mrs Downey?

Oh for goodness sakes Harold not at all and if you read what I've said I've used many examples where people I know we're born into hard times and worked their way out as well as those who were born there and chose to stay there. The cousin was in a crap children's care home in a really shitty area for goodness sakes! You couldn't get much further from the middle class from where she started! Most of my family started on council estates one or two generations ago, few are still there and the ones that are I will happily call them exactly what they are because I've seen them making excuses and doing feck all their entire lives, and that is close family. However I also know those who had middle class lifestyles and deaths, divorces, recessions, health problems etc have slammed them and they've had to go on benefits and risked losing everything and I just think that when that happens it is better to get them back up and out as quickly as possible than have yet another long term claimant stuck in the system for years. I can't understand why anyone would think it better to keep them in the benefit system longer??

Prelude read it properly. This was before she had children.

Oh sorry. It was the friend with the accidental pregnancy.

I don't understand why not working on the side means that they stay on benefits longer?

I normally consider myself to be fairly intelligent, but the more I read of your posts MrsDowney, the more confused I am getting.

Please explain, in simple english, why breaking the law and defrauding the system helps you get a job quicker?

MrsMaturin

But I think most people who inform on someone will probably know some of the situation of the person they are informing on.

Someone in a DV situation taking a fiddle job to make £50 a week because the he doesn't cover all their rent and they are having to top it up out of their JSA leaving them stricken. No I wouldn't tell the benefits

Someone working FT on the fiddle living with their working DO and claiming as a single line parent whilst buying nice things, taking holidays and being blatant about it whilst I'm in the same situation and not fiddling I might be tempted.

Just a guess but I think a few people who are grassed up probably know the people doing it and they are aware of the situation they are in. Like I say just a guess.

I think that there are some cheats at the low income scale who cost the Government millions, cheats at the top, involved in huge sums, and some cheats in the middle.

d0oin

I'd just give up To Be Honest.

I don't think anyone in the world with an ounce of sense could explain why being on JSA and working cash in hand helps you to get a "proper" job.

Ugh stupid phone

Your not answering what we are asking though mrs Downey.

Hence the confusion.

Tantrums when did I say being on JSA and cheating helped get a proper job? I said I was desperately looking for my proper job but wasn't getting anything. In the mean time I would have happily taken anything from cleaning and shelf stacking to bar work and dog walking had it meant I could pay my bills and survive but the situation I was in at the time had I taken those jobs and declared them I would have ended up with less financially with the debts and expenses I had at the time and would have lost everything, plus there was a desperate time scale where I needed money NOW not in 6 weeks by the time I got that job and got paid so I worked cask in hand and kept my head above water and kept the house and everything else I would have lost. Simples.