Ive Just shopped someone for benefit fraud, do I deserve to burn in hell.

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I feel quite bad.

This person is an acquaintance, She was a single parent for a few months, then she met someone who pretty much moved in, he was paying her bills for her and moved in properly earlier this year.

She has always worked full time with a salary of around 20k.

She seems to have an awful lot of money, and, as a single parent myself, I couldnt quite work it out. However, I have seen her tax credits renewal form as she didnt understand something and asked me to have a look for her, and shes claiming to be a lone parent, working 16.3 hours a week, earning 12k a year less than she actually is.

She is also claiming housing benefit as a single parent.

So, I have completed the DWP form and sent it off. I couldnt help it, it makes me see red.

But I now feel terrible.

Benefit threads are always allowed to stand.

Not what I meant at all Devere my condolences to you and your family.

I have saved because for the past 33 weeks I have sat back thinking he is going to die, it's been my way of coping with it, that's all.

Precisely Lady. I think the OP has made a grave error.

Devere

My parents also had to claim the grant. Clearly it was bad planning that they weren't prepared for my brother to die.

For those of you who are on benefits and not defrauding the system, why are you so keen to defend those who do? As you don't feel the need to do it, why should others do it and get away with it?

I haven't seen any posts that say that genuine claimants shouldn't claim benefits. Is it suddenly okay to defraud the system though?

I would have thought that

Deverethemuzzler

Interestingly, and off topic, the amount set aside for welfare is protected by the social security act and the government aren't allowed to use this money for any other purpose, although it can borrow from any surplus. This surplus actually increases by 2bn every year. Not only do claimant errors not affect the amount of money paid to others, welfare cuts do not benefit the government apart from them being able to borrow more, this money to be paid back with interest.

Nobody (that I've seen) is defending anyone's decision to engage in willful fraud.

Simply questioning the moral implications of dobbing someone in when you can't know for sure they've done shit all wrong.

If she is committing fraud she won't get away with it.

But if she isn't then she's going to have her benefits stopped for months all because the OP stuck her nose in without knowing everything about her circumstances. That's what I have a problem with.

Usual get with it. Sheesh. Being smug and goady is perfectly ok as long as it's aimed at benefits claimants.

So you know - those righteous taxpayers (who I bet do less hours than I do) - get to feel better.

Its not my job to know everything, ive got a high reason to suspect and i have reported. It its up to the correct agency to investigate, its their job, its what they do.

Im also now sure why my moral judgement is being so harshly judged, when the moral judgement of her, willfully committing fraud, is left brilliant white.

odd logic.

I CLAIM BENEFITS MYSELF. I AM NOT HAVING A GO AT BENEFIT CLAIMANTS.

For goodness sake.

Stop throwing insults about that are not relevant to the post at all.

Well you're not the one who's going to have her benefits cut for months on end, guilty or not guilty, are you?

But you've reported it to the wrong people anyway, so never mind.

The OP was not targeting benefit claimants. She has reported somebody who she had good reason to believe is falsely claiming.

Why would you say something that isn't what the OP has said?

I see that as being goady you are fuelling a fire that doesn't exist just so you can throw buns.

If you think I'm being goady then report me.

I think you're being obtuse so it's swings and roundabouts.

yes, thats what they are doing.

I didnt report it to the wrong people. There is only one body you can report to, its the DWP, they will check everything, All claims for everything. You cant report directly to the tax credits office, if you look on the website it links you to the DWP benefit fraud page.

So, stop talking about things you have no idea about.

And, stop throwing stuff just to cause a fight.

Oh OP is it a bit of a pain trying to defend yourself over and over and over and over again against idiots that don't listen and wilfully ignore you?

Try six years of it. Same shit, different day.

I sincerely hope that you don't have to use that money Boudica and that you get to enjoy your little one for many, many years.

If your baby is born with a disability and you do have to give up work I think that your views on benefits will change.

But I genuinely hope that you never have to learn that lesson.

I wish you all best wishes for the rest of your pregnancy

Its not my job to know everything

Well you implied at the start of the thread that you did know everything. And the reason for the debate is that some posters, myself included, think you should be certain before you take an action that could blow someone's life apart. Some posters have different values to you and think you have acted wrongly. You wanted responses so don't bleat because not everyone has congratulated you for being such an upstanding citizen.

It's all very well saying "well it's not my job to investigate", but we all have a duty to ensure we don't go around ruining peoples' lives, causing unnecessary upset, as human beings. It's very convenient to wash your hands of it now.

Well I'll just scatter my rubbish through the streets and let my dog shit on your doorstep, it's not my job to clean it up after all.

Im also now sure why my moral judgement is being so harshly judged, when the moral judgement of her, willfully committing fraud, is left brilliant white.

I don't think anyone said what she was doing (if she is doing it) was OK.

If you wanted a thread where people pour moral judgement on your friend and congratulate you then the OP was badly worded.

You said you felt bad. Other people agreed they would feel bad too and some wouldn't feel comfortable reporting in the circumstances you describe.

Why did you even ask if you knew you were right to do it?

Just to shut up the people who keep telling me ive reported it to the wrong place.

www.gov.uk/contact-the-tax-credit-office

I do not think reporting obvious fraud is a heinous thing to do.

I do question the motives of someone who feels the need to brag about it on a massive, open parenting forum though.

And lets face it, this is what this thread is for.

You don't feel guilty or for one minute think you are going to burn in hell.

You are really rather pleased with yourself and wanted everyone else to be pleased with you too.

Soz.