to not be assed to spend today making a cake to help with diabetes

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Just had a text from a work mate to remind me that tomorrow is the cake sale for diabetes UK.

I find this strange on so many levels. Firstly people should be encouraged to eat less cake to avoid most of it. Secondly I would have to run out to the shops , spend about a fiver and waste this afternoon.

Aibu to jus donate a fiver + gift aid and forget about it?

"I'm convinced there is a viral link as my brother became diabetic after glandular fever."

Wow. I am convinced too. What an incredible data set.

Maggie you are type 1. I was referring to type 2. Innogen the people you saw in the endocrine unit were clearly complex, which is why they were treated in hospital. Again, the vast majority of patients with type 2 have developed it following decades of poor lifestyle, and are not treated in hospital but by GPs. Again, the first and ongoing treatment for type 2 diabetes according to NHS guidance is diet and lifestyle modification.

Try telling my mum that. Are you just going to ignore all the direct experiences of people on this thread and stick stubbornly to your half cocked opinions?

The NHS website says that it may well be viral too. I assume they know a thing or two about diabetes.

I hate these threads and don't know why I bother with them. Blind optimism I think.

Thanks to fireside and argy for diagnosing me with t1 diabetes. Gosh my consultant will be impressed, I guess his diagnosis of mody (google it if you want to, will tell you all you need to know) is wrong then. Shame he wasted all those years at medical school. All he needed to do was just ask you guys eh?
Yeah so if you can stop diagnosing me when you don't really know anything about me or my medical condition that would be great, thanks

sorry fireside, I realise now you were quoting argy. who has mysteriously now disappeared from the thread!

Oh come on. Anyone who denies that the massive rise (and it really is a massive rise) in type 2 diabetes is linked to the also huge rise in obesity is totally deluding themselves.

Of course there are some people who eat healthily, are slim and sporty but still develop type 2 diabetes. But they are very much the exception and not the rule.

That's all right maggie. At least you realised and this whole thread is getting a bit messy now, so even I'm confused.

For Argy's information the causes of type 2 diabetes are as follows:

Genetics.
Ethnicity (certain groups have a greater chance of developing it at a younger age).
Being over 40 years of age.
Obesity.

Yes obesity is probably resulting in more cases of diabetes, but let's not demonise cake. I won't have it. Lovely cake.

argy. stop spouting your prejudices and educate yourself. There is loads of evidence to support that type 2 diabetes is influenced by any number of factors not just diet. Suggesting that you cant become type 2 if you are slim and fit is complete nonsense as numerous posters have pointed out.

I have both type 1 and type 2 in my family, none were overweight let alone obese and all were active. In my professional life I have seen countless slim diabetics. Its a bloody complicated disease and the people that suffer from it deserve more than to be dismissed as lazy or greedy by narrow minded and ignorant people.

I do think diet has a lot to do with it. Possibly the same agents that cause obesity, also cause type 2 diabetes in people who are susceptible.

Of course if someone on diabetes is really in control of their blood sugar, they can eat a bit of cake, at least last time I looked, but people are talking as if people with diabetes can eat whatever they want, is this the new wisdom? I'm genuinely curious

firesidechat there are other less well known causes of type 2. Steroids in medicine is one.

In my case it is thought possible that the steroids used in chemotherapy triggered my type2 diabetes, or pushed me 'over the edge' into diabetes .

And don't forget that bad choice of ancestors is the first step to getting type 2 diabetes. To get type 2 diabetes you have to have diabetic genes. People without these genes can spend all their time lying around doing nothing but eating cake all day long; they'll almost certainly get fat, they won't be healthy ... but they won't get diabetes.

Enough people have mentioned genetics in this thread for you to reconsider your "diet has a lot to do with it" Mexican. In 87 replies there has been mention of at least four types of diabetes. Maybe Diabetes UK could do with some extra cake sale money to better inform the public about diabetes?

Can I just ask something? Does diet really play no part in t2 diabetes?

Only I have a family history of impaired glucose tolerance and diabetes. I had gestational diabetes, diet controlled (therefore no cake for me while I was pregnant!), but thankfully had a clear glucose tolerance test 6 weeks after giving birth. I have been advised that I have about a 50/50 chance of developing t2 later in life- and that by reducing the amount of carbs/sugars I eat I can increase the odds in my favour. Is that complete bollocks then?

Even with obesity related diabetes: my visitor today has obesity related type II diabetes that he has now fully controlled with diet, and after our three hour trek round the local hills he... ate a piece of cake with his cup of tea! shock! cake! horror!

by reducing the amount of carbs/sugars I eat I can increase the odds in my favour. Is that complete bollocks then?

No. For you, you can probably make a significant impact on delaying or preventing the onset of diabetes. Get some proper medical and dietary advice. Following the advice won't mean you won't ever be able to go to a cake sale at work though.

Crohnically as I understand it (not very much) if you have diabetes then you need to watch your sugar intake, but eating sugar will not cause diabetes. Being very overweight is not a great idea if you have a predisposition to diabetes either.

I assume that the advice you got to reduce carbs/sugars was from a medical professional who understands diabetes?

I would be delighted that there are people raising money for diabetes.

Cake can be part of a good, normal balanced diet, the same diet that we advise for people with diabetes and without.

Calorie excess has far more to do with the development of T2DM that sugar on its own. Sugar itself isn't the problem, it is eating too much of it.

(And I am someone who does enjoy a bit of cake in between seeing patients in my diabetes clinic!)

I know a fair few diabetics, and they all eat cake. They probably know a lot more about healthy balanced diets and exercise than a lot of people .

Cake sales are a great way to raise money. Few people bake at home these days Home-made cakes are usually welcome anywhere. You can make a batch of a dozen home-made muffins - with fruit, or chocolate - for about £1.50, and sell the lot for 50p each and raise £6.00.

Are people really inundated with home-made cakes at work or wherever?

If I remember correctly, the advice to reduce simple carbs and sugars came in one of the leaflets I was given upon diagnosis with GDM. Or it might have been on one of the (reputable! I was given links to look at by the hospital) websites that I consulted for dietary advice during pregnancy. So while it will have come from a medical professional it was general advice, not tailored to my situation iykwim?

ArgyMargy I can't believe that instead of apologising and thanking Mumsnet for enlightening you, you still continue to sprout crap.

You tell Maggie she must be type 1 ... What about me am I type 1 too? I'm most certainly not, yet I'm far from your description of a type 2.

Oh and at a family dinner tonight I sat and enjoyed some cake with two other type 2 diabetics!

Simple carbs are not as good for a diabetic as complex ones. People with type 2 diabetes treated with diet alone like my grandfather do have to watch what they eat a lot more than I do (type 1 since childhood) as I can adjust my insulin dose to what I eat.

In the same way a slice of birthday cake (with the jam and icing) isn't going to kill me, I just manage my dosage to cope. It is just preferable that the bulk of the carbs come from rice rather than brioche for example. It's more restrictive for diet/tablet/lifestyle controlled type 2, or gestational diabetes for example. I am not allowed sugary drinks because they are just empty carbs, but if I'm feeling under the weather/ off food, I can use fruit juices which are relatively high in sugar to make sure I put some carbs into my body, obviously with insulin to match because it is better than nothing at all. It is not a match on a good portion of pasta or new potato.

I and a number of other young type 1 sufferers despise the fact that the headlines in the papers purely link junk food to diabetes. It needs more education. Yes there might be a rise in obese people suffering type 2 but this means obese MIGHT equal type 2 diabetic (backed up with genetics), not diabetic in general equals obese and irresponsible. Sadly the second seems to be the reaction I see most often. For every slim active diabetic there is probably an overweight person with a poor diet who just isn't genetically pre-disposed and 'gets away with it' for want of a better term

Lampy, I'm a type 2 diabetic, obese might equal type 2 but equally genetics or other factors can still equal type 2 as well.

I'm insulin controlled, I just adjust my dose too. Yet I am type 2. My body does create some insulin by itself - just not enough.

Thanks everyone, I just donated bananas and a fiver and enjoyed the sun yesterday.