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To ask all Chaletians to get ready for Madame's birthday?

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LonnyVonnyWilsonFrickett · 19/06/2014 19:58

Pop to the splasheries my lambs and after you've brushed your hair till it shines we'll have a quick practice of 'I sing of Margaret so fair'.

Once we've finished casting the movie, that is....

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fairnotfair · 23/06/2014 19:58

I found young "baby" Robin very saccharine - I used to imagine a sort of Mabel Lucie Attwell figure; all curls and lisps. I thought she was very attractively drawn as she got older, though - DeWee is right; she was a lovely senior! Shame she had to fade out and take orders - but I suppose the only alternative for a favoured character was to marry a doctor, which wasn't on the cards.

If Jo had ever murdered somebody ("Chalet School Cyanide"), the entire cast would have banded together to justify it and cover it up...

NellWilsonsWhiteHair · 23/06/2014 20:26

Chalet School Cyanide Grin - and then at the end they would all be wiping tears of mirth in the staffroom, eventually managing to gasp "oh, Joey! When will she ever learn?"

DeWee, agreed, that Joey would be a better drawn character if she was allowed to be wrong and/or 'beaten' by someone. (That Grizel comes closest to this is one of the things I like best about her - along with the fact that she very nearly escapes being married or nunned off.) I do still think Jem is a bit of an arsehole to her, though - I was reading one earlier, can't remember which (might be Head Girl? David is a baby in it, anyway) and David is fussing and Madge wonders if he's unwell and Jem accuses Joey of upsetting David because she is being too jittery (the Robin has not died, or something) - I think out of earshot of Madge, if I read it right, which adds to the arseholery. But I may just be inclined to read him badly. Grin

DeWee · 23/06/2014 21:58

Nell that's "and Jo"-when Joey is so relieved that the Robin doesn't have TB that she goes off half cock.

And actually Madge has already got exasperated with Joey, and she has already picked David up "in disregard for rules" when David's meant to be sleeping and won't settle.

I like the sound of Chalet School Cyanide but for some reason I can't see GGBP publishing it? Grin

JoeyMaynardsghost · 24/06/2014 07:42

Chalet School Cyanide.

Maybe Joey isn't the aggressor but the victim? Who would suspicion fall on first? How many people has she upset? Grin

NellWilsonsWhiteHair · 24/06/2014 08:54

Oh. It really is that my instinctive dislike of Jem leads me to skim in a totally unfair fashion, then. Grin

Summerbreezing · 24/06/2014 10:48

I think Chalet School Cyanide could be a kind of Murder on the Orient Express story. Sympathy for all the culprits at the end because the victim thoroughly deserved it.

ToniWol · 24/06/2014 11:35

You may appreciate To All Appearance, Dead by Liz Filleul. It's a murder mystery set in the shady world of Girls Own collectors/fans. I heartily recommend.

DeWee · 24/06/2014 11:58

I'd just read "and Jo" and Joey is irritating through most of it. Certainly doesn't act her age, or her position as head girl. I quite like the book as a whole, but Joey really needs Jem to be nasty to her a few times. Grin

It starts with her being told off for carrying Robin around, which she's been told not to-her response is "I don't do it so often since you and Jem made a fuss". Clearly she goes into teenage sulk after that, and Madge reflects that holiday Jo had "been difficult and tiresome, resenting any attempts at control on the part of her sister..."

I also wonder why on earth they tell Joey that the specialist is coming the next week, when it is obvious she's going to go demented that week waiting. Why didn't they either mention to her during the holidays and give her some time to recover-she obviously has no idea, because when she's asked how the Robin is at the start of term she says "much better, nearly herself again". Observation (also never noticing Madge was pg until baby arrived!) was not her strong point.
Or tell her afterwards. It seems cruel to tell her that week.
Surely if Madge feels she will resent not having been told the week before, she'd resent just as much not being told when they first sent for the specialist.

Then, knowing she was in a state all week, they know all is well, but don't phone up to tell her, until Miss A phones to ask.
Then actually Madge is quite rude to Miss A, saying all is well, but I can't tell you anything until we've told Jo... but you can tell Jo that's all okay, but nothing more. Why doesn't she say, can you get Jo to phone me back?

And the really nasty scene when Jo invites Frieda and Marie to her room and tells them not to tell Simone because she'll be upset. Yes, she would be upset, as, I think, any one of them would be to find that had happened.

There is also when Joey is first told about Robin's potential illness, she promptly says it was all Stacie's fault, and resists any suggestion it isn't. And then is quite nasty to her. Then when she finds out Robin is okay, Stacie says how thankful she is because she felt to blame, and Joey says "of course it wasn't, you mustn't think that" and Stacie "always felt a huge gratitude to Jo for saying it".
But the thing is, that it is clear that if Robin had been ill that she would have blamed Stacie.

Then the scene with Biddy appearing. I like most of that scene. What I don't like is at the end. The staff have told the group off, then the prefects summon them to be told off again. Surely that was none of their business if the staff have dealt with it? It's made very clear in many of the books that the staff feel that if the prefects have dealt with it, then they shouldn't, surely that respect is due the other way round. Would end up with very resentful middles that way.

And the silly idea that the extra food the middles are sneaking for Biddy being noticed. I hardly notice the difference in amount ate if I have one extra kid joining my 3. One extra child, even very hungry from a group of middles, say about 7 of them, would not be noticed.

Oops.

hels71 · 24/06/2014 12:26

Has anyone got a handy grandmother to make honey and nut cakes for the birthday??

TooExtraImmatureCheddar · 24/06/2014 13:42

I discovered a new mistress partnership at the weekend! I read Coming of Age then Triplets then Trials, so it was in one of those, but it went something like this: Peggy Burnett was taking a group of Senior Middles to Vevey, accompanied by her special friend Wink Miss Armitage. Grin The words 'special friend' jumped out at me in a way they never have before.

Oooh, I shall look for a honey and nut cake recipe!

Trials is interesting - so much is cut from the Armada version! A whole chapter about a near-flood, plus lots of detail about how Naomi doesn't believe in God and most of the conversation between her and Mary-Lou about religion (plus Mary-Lou's idea that you can graft ligaments. Can you graft ligaments even today? I know you can graft skin, bone and sometimes muscle, but I've never heard of a ligament graft).

DeWe, what I don't get is why they send Biddy to the local school. She is as Irish as they make 'em and doesn't speak a word of German, and is living in an English school, but hey, let's send her to the local German-speaking school because she is Not Of Our Class.

Vintagejazz · 24/06/2014 13:52

Is that bit about Bill and Con sharing a room in the Armada version of New Chalet School? I had a look for it last night and couldn't find it. They did grab hands and race down the corridor together at one stage though Grin

ToniWol · 24/06/2014 14:17

VintageJazz. It's in the second half of New which Armada published separately. The Transcript's on the OneDrive though.

Vintagejazz · 24/06/2014 14:21

Thanks Toni

DeWee · 24/06/2014 15:29

The only reasonable reason for sending her to the local school would be to pick up her German quickly. And that would be admitting they weren't as good at that, so probably wouldn't.
There's that terribly snobby conversation where they talk about training her for a maid too.

rumbleinthrjungle · 24/06/2014 16:35

This thread is making me laugh so much my kaffee und kuchen is coming down my nose.

How about a tennis tournament my loves? Who looks graceful in their white dress and will knock up aces while the middles stand around not having crushes in admiration? And who is going to come with me and put something dreadful all over the prepared tea while we do it, so everyone can splutter amusingly during Madame's speech?

And yy DeWee. I just read The Highland Twins for the first time on OneDrive (oh I love that thing) and was quite shocked at Joey's not wanting anyone finding out about her spare rooms in case The Champion Butter In and Mother of the Year got evacuees billeted on her.....

Summerbreezing · 24/06/2014 16:39

Well you can't blame her rumble. Don't you know that all evacuees would be common cockneys (probably Joan Baker's younger siblings) with frightful accents and nits?

JoeyMaynardsghost · 24/06/2014 16:43

nits Shock

Like many things, nits is one thing CS girls just do not have! Heaven forfend, Matron would have to be combing forever and a day and wouldn't have time to produce unpleasant jorums for the naughty middles nor give out so much hot milk... no-one would ever be able to get to sleep!

rumbleinthrjungle · 24/06/2014 16:45

Blush oh dear. I had no idea. I'll write to Tom Gay's mother to donate a secure building of some sort for them and we'll keep them in there so no one catches anything.

Just had another thought - surely for Madame's birthday the Guides should do something? Campfire? Who shall we barbecue?

TooExtraImmatureCheddar · 24/06/2014 16:48

Rumble, yes, for the strange reason that they want to see how Margot weathers the winter - does she think evacuees are inherently dirty and diseased and spread bronchitis right, left and centre?

DeWee, yes, from gratitude she might be willing to serve the Robin! Okay, Jo rubbishes that idea, but all the same.

Oooh, Rumble, I want to come and watch the tennis tournament! I have not got a pash on Blossom Willoughby at all...despite her perfect features and general stunning-ness. I shall cheer politely in the Approved Way, not being vulgar but supportive if I can work out just what sort of cheering is vulgar and what isn't.

Stokey · 24/06/2014 16:57

I will be channelling Joan Baker wearing a too-short tennis skirt and frilly knickers.

I'm hoping a doctor will notice me before Matey does.

Have you seen this thread www.mumsnet.com/Talk/baby_names/2115679-Nell-Betsy-or-Daisy in Baby names?

Maybe we should suggest Primula?

Summerbreezing · 24/06/2014 17:04

I think I'll just sit on a deck chair somewhere round the back with my secret copy of Forever Amber.

Vintagejazz · 24/06/2014 17:07

I have a really snazzy pair of tennis shorts that I'm dying to try out. But I don't want Bill to get the wrong idea.

Tinuviel · 24/06/2014 17:16

Isn't Primula a cheese spread? I remember thinking it was an odd name when I first read it.

Tinuviel · 24/06/2014 17:19

Please can I join you, Summer. I am rubbish at tennis: it's so strenuous - all that bending down, picking up the ball. I would far rather read a good book and I'm very good at reading aloud. I seem to remember that Forever Amber has some racy bits in but not as many as Fanny Hill - I'm keeping that hidden under my Sunday hat. Hope Matron doesn't find it. Now that would get you all red and flushed, Vintage!

TooExtraImmatureCheddar · 24/06/2014 17:23

Just started Theodora. Joey and Rosalie are discussing Joan Baker. Rosalie cites her as one of our failures, and Joey says "there, you're dealing with heredity as well as environment". Ouch!

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