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AIBU?

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to tell my mother I've had enough? (v v long)

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HouseLikeAZoo · 19/06/2014 09:27

This is my first AIBU, and it's a huge long backstory one. My situation is quite distinctive so I will probably out myself here.

I am considering writing to my mum to tell her that I've had enough of her selfish behaviour. I suspect it will end with me going NC. I really just want some advice from you all about whether I will come to regret it - and I need to be told to grow a spine after years of pandering to her.

Short version: my mum is in her third marriage. My brother & I are from her first marriage. When we toddlers, my parents divorced, and unusually, custody was split so that I stayed with my mum and my brother with my dad. This was back in the 70's and not in the UK. My father was/still is an alcoholic and not in any way fit to be a parent. Still, my mum "gave" him her 3-yr old DS and moved away with me. She tells me it was "to save having a long court battle". My brother's life has turned out ok but has seen him having to basically raise himself, clear up after my DF and generally go through more shit than anyone deserves. He has had little contact with my mum although remains civil to her.

I have since then had two more "dads", and at primary school age, moved to the UK (my mum as she had an affair with a Brit & then came here to marry him). I spoke no English when we moved and found the whole thing pretty horrific. I knew no-one and was separated from all my friends & rest of my family. My brother was left behind in another country, but my mum didn't seem to find the happiness of either of her kids a huge concern.

Throughout my childhood & now adulthood, my mum has treated me like hired help. I was charged with the family cooking, cleaning and laundry from the age of 12 onwards. If my standard of my dusting & ironing weren't high enough, I'd have to do it again. Leaving for university was a relief - although I had no financial support from my (well off) parents, it was nice to be my own person. However her selfish behaviour did not stop; It's always all about her.

I'm now married with a lovely DH and two DSs. When I had a miscarriage with complications, I received no sympathy and no visit from her. When my children were small, she made it clear that they were in her opinion "feral" and that she had no desire to help us (this despite the fact that my father in law died when my boys were 1 & 3 and we were desperate for support). When I told her I'd been referred to the breast cancer clinic her response was to complain bitterly about her terrible luck because her kitchen fit was going badly. I didn't tell her about my depression for months, but when I finally confided in her, she told me I should count myself lucky that my DH hadn't left me because of it.

All the while she expects me to do her bidding unquestioningly. She phones me to tell me to sort out her computer/kindle/tv/phone, she requires me to sell stuff on eBay for her (and then blames me for not getting enough profit on her old cowboy boots), she expects me (and DH) to come over to dig garden features/paint ceilings/shift stuff whenever she wants, she thinks nothing of phoning ahead when coming to visit to request her favourite wine/food/coffee be waiting for her. She gives me her hand-me-down clothes and shoes as presents, and once agreed to one evening of babysitting my boys as my birthday present from her.

Stupidly, I have let her away with it for 37 years.

The final straw came last week. My stepfather has been very poorly and my mum has been visiting him every day in hospital. She wanted a weekend off from visiting, so told me to visit on saturday (I was going anyway so no probs) and told my stepbrother to visit on Sunday. My stepbrother couldn't make Sunday, so decided to come with me on Saturday instead. When my mum got wind of this, she lost the plot completely, told my DSB that she was gutted he was doing this, and generally spent a Friday night messaging him and me, ranting on about how everything was ruined. For some reason she had decided that only she could be in charge of the hospital visiting schedule and thought it was reasonable for her to forbid my Dad's own son from visiting when he wanted to. For the first time in my adult life I told her that she had gone too far, and her response was stunning.

She refused to talk to me, except to tell me she didn't want to talk to me. When I asked her how dad was, she refused to tell me. She texted me to tell me that she won't be in touch. This carried on for days, until she decided she needed me to do her a favour (drive a 2-hr round trip to lend her a garden item) and then she got back in touch as if nothing had happened.

I've had enough. I've written her a letter to tell her all of the above and to tell her that I'm sick of giving and getting nothing but grief in return. AIBU to send it?

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Jollyphonics · 22/06/2014 16:21

I don't think this is anything to do with giving you space. She's having a sulk, and trying to put the blame for any rift between you on you. It's like someone doing something bad that hurts you, then when you confront them they say "sorry, I can see you're upset, I'm going to walk away now until you calm down" rather than facing up to what they've done.

Timeforabiscuit · 22/06/2014 16:27

I reckon by the sounds of things she's an arch manipulator - give her two-three weeks and there will be a health event designed to get you running over there.

Enjoy the space and peace, try and get away for a weekend and focus on your young family.

TheHoneyBadger · 22/06/2014 16:29

put it back on her - say, 'actually it's you who needs to come up with ideas of how to make this right and if you are genuinely sorry to work out why you've behaved like this and what YOU need to change to ensure things are different in the future. this isn't my responsibility.'

BrunoBrookesDinedAlone · 22/06/2014 16:42

Sounds fine to me Grin

You could do two things here. You could analyse these exchanges to the nth degree, and end up getting caught in a whole new dialogue with her. It's what she wants, by the way - that's what this is about. She's playing hard to get in a way - she knows you, remember. She's acting this way to hopefully get you all indignant that she's not playing to type and being shitty in return. You feel short-changed and a bit brushed off... you start responding... BANG! Back to square one.

Or... you could just focus on what YOU want. I'd say that is - happiness, which means low or no contact. So take this at face value. She's going to leave you alone? Fab. End of chat. Forget about her, and focus on improving YOUR life and that of those you love and who love you. So you'll look the bad guy? Yes. So what? You always will as far as she's concerned.

You win this game by not playing it.

No, it won't ever be 'resolved' in the sense that she will utterly change her personality. People don't do that. Even if she did, you can't undo the past.

You won't get what you need from her. Look to yourself. Just get her to leave you alone, and FORGET about her.

TheHoneyBadger · 22/06/2014 16:57

bruno is right actually.

you need to remember what you want - if it's peace and freedom from her hassle then you just got it and time will tell if she sticks to it or not.

Hissy · 22/06/2014 17:17

I respect Bruno enormously. So often very incisive.

I agree with her again. :)

This 'reply' of hers OP, simply ignores all the effort that took, and is forcing you to come up with the answer. In no way, shape or form has she taken any of this on board, and she is telling you to contact her when you've got over yourself. :(

She needs to look at herself, take responsibility for her actions and decisions so this situation can be even considered for resolution.

She's not going to do a single god damned thing to remedy it. She doesn't have to, she's fine, just the way she is. In her very unhumble opinion of herself.

Hissy · 22/06/2014 17:23

I told my own mother to take responsibility for her decision to exclude me from her house move hundreds of miles away. She didn't.

I asked her to take responsibility for turning up at my door on a wild and blowy December evening, with her ranting and raving H, who terrorised me and ds in their pursuit to get ME to do whtat THEY wanted, and get back onside, into my place and forget all abut the shit they'd dealt me over the years.

Didn't happen, and eve after I told her how I felt, after making ludicrous counter accusations, she went into complete denial and rang me every week, same day/time for months and despite me never answering never once showed any sign of acknowledging what i'd siad to her.

I gave her another chance recently. Big mistake. Back to bulldozing and I had to tell her that i'd be going NC again explicitly because she's not facing up to the things she has done.

Her loss. I'm finished with her.

NewtRipley · 22/06/2014 17:29

It sounds dismissive to me too.

But I'd take her at her word, see how you feel. It would be pretty darn surprising if she is capable of seeing what needs to be done and do it.

I am sorry you are in this situation.

NewtRipley · 22/06/2014 17:30

yy Hissy and Bruno

EllaFitzgerald · 22/06/2014 18:26

She sounds a bit like a stroppy teenager to me. You tell her that you want to see a change in how she treats you and her response is along the lines of 'fine, I won't talk to you at all then'. I think she'll give you a week before she's either contacting you directly or through another family member, telling you how badly your behaviour is affecting her.

I'm nc with my father. Perhaps it was easier for me as I stopped contact in my teens rather than as an adult, but my life is a lot easier for it and I've never regretted it.

oldgrandmama · 22/06/2014 19:29

I'm an ancient old git, OP - seen it all and then some. My considered opinion (having suffered an abusive, manipulative joke of a mother myself) is that she's messing with your head, biding her time while she regroups her malevolent forces. You've put up with this for 37 bloody YEARS? Ye Gods!

My suggestion: dump her. No more rushing around for her, doing stuff for her, seeing her, no ANYTHING. Absolutely no contact. You think you'll feel guilty? Don't. All the guilt should be hers. You deserve better and she'll stop you getting it if you let her. Just remember, anyone can physically be a 'mother' but good mothering involves a whole lot more than giving birth. Your 'mother' doesn't deserve a kind and lovely daughter (and nor do your other siblings). Detatch yourself from her and leave her to her own nasty self. Angry

quietbatperson · 22/06/2014 19:29

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EverythingCounts · 22/06/2014 20:15

Agree with JollyPhonics. Tell her to think about how she's treated you and how she can make amends and when she knows, she can contact you.

HouseLikeAZoo · 22/06/2014 21:00

My stepbrother has just messaged to ask if I had actually sent the letter to my mum. My mum & stepdad spent the afternoon at his & she was on a charm offensive, and said nothing at all about me. So it doesn't seem to have particularly troubled her (and my stepbrother is a bit disappointed at the lack of fireworks after I'd warned him Wink)

I will not contact her again. I think you guys are spot on with your predictions of an imminent health issue. Let's see how long it'll take. Sweepstake anyone?

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NewtRipley · 22/06/2014 21:32

I predict an apporach oN her behalf from someone else.

coffeetofunction · 22/06/2014 22:16

My only advice is to write your letter, put it away for a week or so. Then get it back out re read it. You'll then be able to question if it's what you want to say. You can re write it & add to it, make changes ect.

Good luck with what ever final decision you make Thanks

DaddyBeer · 23/06/2014 08:17

I think Bruno is right too. You do win by not playing. In an odd way, it strikes me this is kind of what your mum might be doing, by trying to leave the ball in your court. For the time being, anyway.

It is often interesting to just do nothing in response to a problem. When you remove your input, and just see what another person does, it can be quite revealing.

I've personally found it a really difficult part of "growing up" to just see my parents as people, barking and odd as they both are, rather than purely my parents. I once went three years without them having my exact address. A bit of time and space, plenty of interaction with "normal" people (you know what I mean!) definitely helps strengthen that sense of "no, it isn't me, it's definitely him/her/them" and in turn, over time, your own internal boundaries will shift.

And when this does happen, people sense it and behave differently towards you.

HecatePropylaea · 24/06/2014 15:03

The charm offensive is step one in attempting to secure your step brother to what she sees as her 'side'. Wait. You will see. Luckily it seems from what you say that he isnt that type.
But trust me. Niceness is purposeful.

Hissy · 24/06/2014 16:23

Oh yeah, she's aiming for divide and conquer. Not now, but at some point.

People like her put in a lot of groundwork.

They're used to normal people not noticing what's going on until it's too late.

HouseLikeAZoo · 26/06/2014 17:58

Well, that didn't take long Hmm

After maintaining radio silence for 4 days, today the hate arrived from my mum. A long, point-by-point reply to my initial message, disputing everything I said. Apparently I have outright lied about the past, been unfair, and generally a despicable person. Her rant was mainly aimed at me personally - accusing me of being unreasonable - but she did throw in her own terrible childhood (first I'd heard of it) for sympathy. Also her parting shot was to blame my biological father's genes for my problems.

She said that it was outrageous that I've asked her to change. She said that after 60 years of being herself she cannot be expected to do that.

Seems that her initial remorse was, as you all guessed, a load of bullshit.

I am so so Angry. I can take being called names, but I am not a liar. I have screenshots of texts and message exchanges with her that prove she's talking bollocks. But do I engage her and send these? I don't want to dignify her vitriol with a fight. But I so, so want to tell her that she's WRONG. Grrrr

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RaptorInaPorkPieHat · 26/06/2014 18:26

Don't engage, I'd maintain the NC.

I think that's what she really wants, to get into an all-singing all-dancing bitchfest where she can tell the world "Look how HouseLikeAZoo treats me".

Detach, Detach, Detach.

Thanks Wine Cake

HouseLikeAZoo · 26/06/2014 18:49

I know I shouldn't rise to it. It's just so hard to let her have the final word.

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Hissy · 26/06/2014 18:50

This proves your story, and not hers.

A normal person would have been immediately horrified at your letter and anxious to know what they could do to fix it.

Not what do you want me to do, and doing nothing in the meantime.

They would be upset and concerned and would have asked your DB if you were ok, if he'd heard anything? What couldd you do to make it right etc.

NOT smiling saccharine sickly sweetly and not mention a single word.

She's planned this response, carefully crafting it for maximum damage and blame shifting.

It is all the proof you will ever need that you are right and she is wrong.

Now, detach, detach, detach.

Hissy · 26/06/2014 18:52

Here's your mantra for you to spout at her if ever confronted:

"Just because you don't remember it, doesn't mean it didn't happen."