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Canthisonebeused · 16/06/2014 09:35

Not sure why but this doesn't sit right with me, what are others thoughts. It's not a big deal but did bother me a bit.

7 and 8 year old girls doing handstands and cartwheels in the playground at school. Boys being silly laughing at their pants and did not die down after being told not to by playground staff. Therefore girls are sent in to put PE shorts on under their dresses.

I just think they are little girls FFS who care if their pants are showing and the boys should have been delt with. I just don't think it's a good message to sent to girls.

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youmakemydreams · 16/06/2014 10:09

The protect their modesty remark made me Hmm too. They are 7. I did cartwheels and head stands as a child. I didn't need to be introduced to the social norm of not flashing my pants gradually. I grew up and grew out of it. Most children develop and awareness and need for not flashing their pants in their own time.
They are small children they have no idea about modesty and they don't care. God they grow up soon enough what sort of message is the cover up if you don't want people to look at you??

WeddedBliss · 16/06/2014 10:15

I think some people have latched on far too much to the boys vs girls thing.

Boys/girls at age 7 is irrelevant.

One group of dc were flashing their underwear, which another group of dc found hilarious and were hence laughing at, probably getting too worked up and boisterous, as 7 year olds can.

In this situation, I would be telling the dc who were laughing to go off and play somewhere else, and telling the dc who were 'causing' the laughter/disturbance to stop doing whatever they were doing to 'cause' it. Regardless of boys/girls.

Describing a group of laughing 7 year old boys as 'hassling' a group of girls, or expecting the boys to be spoken to sternly, or whatever, is way ott.

WeddedBliss · 16/06/2014 10:18

the point I feel is that it is in fact the boys behaviour that needed attention in this instance

So how exactly would you expect them dealt with? A stern word to stop laughing? Being sent in from playtime? A lecture on how they are clearly perverts in the making and calling the parents in?

IME 7 year olds find underwear, bums, boobies etc hilarious. Boys AND girls. Well worthy of laughing at at age 7 and nothing that needs 'dealing with'

ThePowerOfMe · 16/06/2014 10:18

Part of me agrees with you op. Yes, they are children and yes the boys should have been dealt with properly but another part of me gets really annoyed that those girls' school clothes aren't as practical as boys'.
Boys would never be running around flashing their pants due to their clothes. I believe they would get just as teased if they did.

Singlesuzie · 16/06/2014 10:19

I dont know why schools still have skirts and dresses. Let them all wear trousers or shorts and this issue disappears. There is no need at all for different uniforms.

DogCalledRudis · 16/06/2014 10:21

Yabu
Girls shouldn't do cartwheels and handstands in dresses. Sending them to put PE shorts on was very appropriate

WeddedBliss · 16/06/2014 10:21

Yet another poster who wants a group of 7 year olds 'dealt with properly' over laughing at something that is undisputedly funny to 7 year olds.

Why?

Canthisonebeused · 16/06/2014 10:21

I don't think it's OTT to expect the boys to be dealt with at a reasonable manner which would cause them to stop. I think it's relevant that it was boys and girls in terms of sending out appropriate messages about dominating behaviour.

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CoffeeTea103 · 16/06/2014 10:23

Yabu, they dealt with it correctly. But since you find grown women doing handstands with pants on display not a problem doesn't mean it is appropriate.

Canthisonebeused · 16/06/2014 10:24

To be dealt with in a way that would send the message their behaviour was bothering the girls, therefore they should move on and leave them alone and not send the girls in to change. It wouldn't take very much in my option to manage the situation without sending the girls in.

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Canthisonebeused · 16/06/2014 10:27

Or in fact encourage the girls to ignore them and they would soon get bored and move on.

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WeddedBliss · 16/06/2014 10:29

So, again, how exactly would you want the boys dealt with?

How old are your dc? Have you ever tried to tell a group of 7 year olds who are in fits of giggles to stop laughing?

Ds1 is 6. We went to a soft play party on Saturday, with him and his 4 friends from school, and ds2 who is 4. They were having food and one of them burped. That was it. There were 6 kids there, 4 parents, yet the meal descended into chaos because they all had the giggles. Not naughtiness btw - but hysterical laughing. Completely impossible to stop, by any of us. As soon as it was done, we shooed them off back to the play section and they calmed down.

Flexibilityiskey · 16/06/2014 10:32

Surely any children laughing at other children is unkind and should be dealt with? I don't understand people saying that boys find things like that amusing, so its OK for them to laugh at it.

littledrummergirl · 16/06/2014 10:36

Dd is 9 and wears a summer dress to school. I havent given any thought to her flashing her underwear. She can do handstands and cartwheels so I presume she does them in school.

I am pretty certain that if a group of boys laugh at her for showing her underwear she is pretty capable of a suitable put down.

I just wish I could still do handstands and cartwheelsEnvy

Canthisonebeused · 16/06/2014 10:38

I would expect it to be deal with like any other situation in school were children were not responding to an adults instruction. There a are a range of options in school. And again like I said this could even be ignoring, what I have issue with is turning the attention on the chills having to change because the adult couldn't nip in the bud a few giggling boys.

Likewise I don't find a meal in a public place descending into chaos to be acceptable either. Surely adults can't find it that difficult to take controls of out of controls children.

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OwlCapone · 16/06/2014 10:39

So, again, how exactly would you want the boys dealt with?

I would want them taken indoors until they calm down and learn not to laugh at other people.

It is in no way comparable to all laughing when someone burps.

OwlCapone · 16/06/2014 10:40

they dealt with it correctly

So essentially you are saying it is right for small girls to have to behave "modestly" because boys are unable to behave themselves...?

OwlCapone · 16/06/2014 10:44

Yet another poster who wants a group of 7 year olds 'dealt with properly' over laughing at something that is undisputedly funny to 7 year olds.

Why?

It is not funny to 7 year olds. It is funny to 7 year old boys. I wonder if the girls found being laughed at all amusing?

There are lots of things that children find funny that are inappropriate.

Why is it the job of the girls to modify their behaviour or clothing because the boys can't behave?

WeddedBliss · 16/06/2014 10:45

I don't understand people saying that boys find things like that amusing, so its OK for them to laugh at it

If you're referring to me, I haven't said that. I've said that children in general tend to find things like that amusing.

In regards to the meal, I wouldn't call it a 'public' place - it was a private party room. My point being that it is incredibly difficult to get a group of 6/7 years olds to stop laughing, when the laughing bug has you. Nothing to do with bad parenting, which is what you seem to be suggesting. If I get the giggles over something, I find it incredibly hard to calm myself down sometimes, and so do a few other adults I know...let alone a group of 7 year olds.

OnlyLovers · 16/06/2014 10:48

Why is it the job of the girls to modify their behaviour or clothing because the boys can't behave?

This is it in a nutshell.

WeddedBliss · 16/06/2014 10:48

It is not funny to 7 year olds. It is funny to 7 year old boys. I wonder if the girls found being laughed at all amusing?

I wonder if a group of 7 year old girls would find a 7 year old boy flashing his pants amusing? My experience tells me they would.

Again, with the boys and girls. Sex is irrelevant. A group of 7 year old children laughing at another 7 year old child who is flashing their underwear is completely 'normal' if not desirable. Yes, they should be told to go off, play somewhere else, calm down. But suggestions of 'stern words' and punishments is way ott.

OwlCapone · 16/06/2014 10:50

If I get the giggles over something, I find it incredibly hard to calm myself down sometimes,

How about if you are laughing at someone? do you try to control yourself then? Would you remove yourself from the situation or insist that the other person modify their perfectly reasonable behaviour to help you stop laughing at them?

OwlCapone · 16/06/2014 10:52

Yes, they should be told to go off, play somewhere else, calm down. But suggestions of 'stern words' and punishments is way ott.

But they weren't. The girls were made to go and change because the boys could not behave.

OwlCapone · 16/06/2014 10:54

I wonder if a group of 7 year old girls would find a 7 year old boy flashing his pants amusing? My experience tells me they would.

Well, there are really only two scenarios where a boy would be flashing his pants.

  1. Deliberately for comedic effect. It is OK to laugh at this.
  2. By accident through someone pulling his trousers down or them falling down. It is not OK to laugh at this.
Canthisonebeused · 16/06/2014 10:55

I'm not suggesting bad parenting at all, I'm suggesting certain behaviours aren't acceptable and require certain controls in place to nip in the bud.

If my dcs were descending into chaos at the dinner table I would be separating them and sending them away from the table without much difficulty, this would be dealing with it properly, but you seem to be finding my term dealing with it properly to be difficult to visualise. I was merely responding to your comparison and suggesting again it isn't particularly difficult to take control of a bunch of 7 year olds who can't take control of their own behaviour.

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