To think if you go to the dog beach you should expect dogs

[Blackdogagain]

I took my pooch to the beach for the first time today. The beach is huge and split in half, one half is for dogs, and there were many of them. Most dogs were off the lead and playing freely.

A few families were also on the dog beach, but were without a dog. However, a few families were obviously irate with the dogs running and swimming everywhere.

Is it me, but if you sit on the dog half of the beach, you can't get huffy over dogs running around.

One father and daughter were on inflatables in the sea and 3 dogs were running into the sea next to them and the girl was obviously worried and scared of them. The owners called their dogs back and walked up the beach a bit, which was good of them.

Surely though, if you don't want dogs around, bloody well go to the dog free half of the beach!

Exactly - 'dogs allowed'. Not 'dogs only, everyone without a dog keep off this area, or if you do come onto it stop moaning, because the dogs that are allowed on here can do what they want'

Oh look - there's the start of the circle again.

I still don't get why you'd go to a beach where dogs are if you don't like them when there is a better option.

I don't like sand, gets frickin' everywhere. I wouldn't go to a sandy beach and complain. I'd find a stoney beach instead.

There often isn't 'a better option', though - where we are, the beaches which aren't part of resorts, where you can hire surfboards and so on and not be in the town, generally do allow dogs. I don't know of any that don't, in fact.

Which romp all over the place and run up barking, but I have been assured that each and every one is 'very friendly', so that is alright. You have to watch yourself on the path down, because people do let them shit on it and in the grass to the side, but then if you went to a 'child beach' you'd expect to step in a lot of human excrement and have random children circling you and your picnic, right?

Well, if there are HUGE signs saying DOG BEACH at Camber Sands, they must be very new........Unless I have missed them, despite them being HUGE.......

What part of my post do you not understand? Dogs allowed does not mean if you do come onto it stop moaning, because the dogs that are allowed on here can do what they want. I should have thought that it was perfectly obvious was I meant.

Hakluyt is no more argumentative than you or any of the other posters on here.

"If I'm on a beach with other children I expect there to be some running about, some noise and possibly some sand flicked.

What world do you live in where this doesn't happen?"

Yes, so would I. I just don't allow my dogs, or my children, to be obnoxious. It is perfectly possible to play, have fun, run about, swim, be noisy, without being obnoxious.

It's like if there were such a thing as a children's beach you wouldn't go there if you had no children and wanted an afternoon of reading peacefully, would you? You couldn't expect the children not to run and scream and flick sand. That's what children do.

Your argument is nonsensical, there's no such thing as a 'children's beach' a beach popular with children and family I assume you mean?

a better parallel would be taking a book to a park with play equipment in it. In that case, would expect children to play, make noise,and lark about. What I wouldn't expect is that children would be well behaved enough to know that you don't 'spit in people's drinks, run through people's picnics and be completely beyond the supervision and control of their parents.

Likewise a beach popular with dog walkers I would expect dogs to be running about, swimming and larking about. I don't think it gives the owners carte blanche to be aggresive to other people, shit all over the place without it being cleaned up and be incapable of being bought to heel.

That isn't 'what dogs do' that's what lazy dog owners allow their dogs to do.

But I suspect some people are being deliberately goady about this tbh.

This.

Would someone honestly allow their children to flick sand at other people, and then pull faces because those people didn't find it funny?

I can just imagine an AIBU on that - it would be a resounding YABU.

"Children running into the sea accidentally flicking sand is not obnoxious. But if you were child free it might annoy you. So why sit on a beach with children?"

I agree. It's not obnoxious. Nobody has said it is. Now how about addressing the question of behaviour which is obnoxious?

I think dogs and children shouldn't be used as opposite examples...many, like myself, have both. When we go to the beach, my dog may well shake herself and dig big holes and my kids may start screaming and having tantrums. I appreciate how any of this would be annoying for those who don't like dogs or kids. We walk every morning early, in all weathers. In lovely weather, the tourists arrive with their badly behaved dogs and children. This is when problems arise. It makes me so sad to hear of beaches where dogs are banned as this essentially means my family are banned :)

" go and sit amongst dogs if you didn't want dogs running in and out of the sea potentially splashing you."

Nope- that's not obnoxious either.

"But if you wanted peace and quiet any child doing anything would potentially wind you up.

That's why it would be utter madness to go and sit amongst children playing on the beach."

Yes, I agree. Now, your views on children and dogs being obnoxious, rather than just behaving like children or dogs? Or do you think that children and dogs can only have fun if they are being obnoxious?

The problem is the definition of obnoxious. I agree dogs shouldn't be jumping up and knocking people over and stealing food. But that's the owners fault not the dogs. And let's face it some kids do try and feed dogs and aren't entirely innocent either.

However things like running, splashing and shaking off the water are perfectly normal behaviours that don't warrant the cats bums mouths.

Treading on the sand castles is unfortunate but hardly intentional and is just a result of the normal running around. Which is not obnoxious behaviour either. So again finding fault over an Accident.

Could have happened with another child playing with a ball.

Before we had kids me and dh used to sit well away from everyone else. It pisses me off now we have to sit within walking distance of some toilets as no trip to the beach can be done without one or both kids wanting a wee or a poo and they never want to go at the same time.

No such problems with Dogs

Treading on the sand castles is unfortunate but hardly intentional and is just a result of the normal running around.

Oh look another inconsiderate dog owner has made her way to the thread.

I don't think dogs should be allowed on any beaches. Nor should people. All beaches should be left solely for the use of wildlife, and the occasional respectful wildlife-watcher (ie me). But as for some reason I don't get to dictate this to the rest of the world, I say let the dogs (where permitted) have their (non-annoying) fun

"However things like running, splashing and shaking off the water are perfectly normal behaviours that don't warrant the cats bums mouths. "

Absolutely. Everyone agrees with this.

I don't own a dog. I do have two children though who have had a sand castle ACCIDENTLY trodden on by other children daring to play,