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To be absolutely steaming about having a free copy of the Sun delivered by Royal Mail?

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Sixweekstowait · 09/06/2014 09:10

I know I am not BU. I am going to post it back to Sun HQ in an unstamped envelope ( will probably tear it into pieces before I do). Who will join me?

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Guitargirl · 09/06/2014 11:24

I have emailed a complaint to Royal Mail and have requested an opt-out of receiving it which I doubt will be able to be actioned but I have also said that I will be sending it back if I receive a copy. Am not on Facebook myself but have sent the link to lots of much more social-media savvy friends.

LadyNexus · 09/06/2014 11:26

I hope Royal Mail gets flooded with complaints.

That would restore my faith in humanity a little Grin

Larimarbleu · 09/06/2014 11:27

Nobody reads the Sun. Its for people who are too lazy to read. Thats what all the pwetty pictures are for.

BeyondTheLimitsOfAcceptability · 09/06/2014 11:30

Anyone wanna place a bet that they may not be a pg3 in it, but instead there will be a scantily clad (but nipples covered) advert, pointing out how pg3 is in the normal paper/website, subscribe online for only £yoursoul a month...

Larimarbleu · 09/06/2014 11:30

Somebody should contact some of the other papers, with a link to this thread. I see a story in this - and rightly so.

merce · 09/06/2014 11:31

How do they decide who gets them? We didn't get one, but I will go CRAZY if we do. May see if No More Page 3 is doing anything about this…..

AgaPanthers · 09/06/2014 11:32

The Sun issued a front page apology for their Hillsborough headline in 2004.

Kelvin MacKenzie, the man responsible left the paper in 1994.

The Sun did not cause Hillsborough, and 25 years on nobody responsible for that headline is working there.

To be absolutely steaming about having a free copy of the Sun delivered by Royal Mail?
MrsCakesPremonition · 09/06/2014 11:35

merce - it hasn't happened yet. it will be happening on the 12th of June to coincide with the start of the World Cup.

AutumnStar · 09/06/2014 11:36

Don't think the families really think "Oh that's alright then", to be honest, Aga.

merce · 09/06/2014 11:36

Thanks, Cakes. Well I just emailed NMP3 about it. They may have a plan for a way to coordinate our responses and make it clear we don't want it (restrained version of what I was going to say). If they get back to me I will post whatever they say here.

Sirzy · 09/06/2014 11:37

An "apology" years down the line basically as a think to appease the public is hardly worth a thing IMO

BeyondTheLimitsOfAcceptability · 09/06/2014 11:39

So 25 years later, none of the people involved printed a formal apology (seriously this took 25 years?!) and you think the fact that the people who apologised werent those originally in the wrong, is a good thing? Confused

fifi669 · 09/06/2014 11:40

YABU complete overreaction. Recycle and move on.

LadyNexus · 09/06/2014 11:40

That's brilliant merce Grin

Mckayz · 09/06/2014 11:45

Oh well they apologised for being lying bastards. That's ok then.

Honestly.

ProjectGainsborough · 09/06/2014 11:45

I don't think it's an overreaction. It's a good opportunity to protest against mud-slinging reporting that drags people down and focuses minds on petty prurient shit rather than actual current affairs.

I'll be posting mine back.

ShakesBootyFlabWobbles · 09/06/2014 11:45

Aga when you've been accused of what the Sun printed and get apologised to 23 years later, you are hardly going to think 'well that's that sorted' are you?

NotEnoughTime · 09/06/2014 11:46

gordy

I absolutely understand what you are saying. I'm not "forgiving" The Sun for anything.

However if you have a look at the no more page 3 website you will perhaps understand what I mean-I'm not very good at explaining myself Blush

ShakesBootyFlabWobbles · 09/06/2014 11:47

25 years sorry typo

linesandlines · 09/06/2014 11:49

YANBU. I'll be sending mine back, stampless. Their misogyny, lies and all round insidious vileness is not welcome in this house.

LadyNexus · 09/06/2014 11:51

Royal Mail just replied to my complaint with a link to opt out of all unaddressed mail...damn why did I only just learn about this?!

AgaPanthers · 09/06/2014 11:55

"So 25 years later, none of the people involved printed a formal apology (seriously this took 25 years?!) and you think the fact that the people who apologised werent those originally in the wrong, is a good thing? confused"

15 years, not 25 years.

And yes the people involved have printed a formal apology.

www.pressgazette.co.uk/kelvin-mackenzie-instructs-lawyers-seek-apology-police-over-hillsborough-vilification

And other media published the same story.

"The main culprits in spreading these lies were David Duckenfield, Chief Superintendent in charge on the day (who later admitted that he lied), Graham Mackrell, Secretary Sheffield Wednesday and Graham Kelly of the F.A."

"Amongst the most vicious of reports of the Disaster was the Sheffield Star and the Yorkshire Post. It should be noted that these would be the two most widely read papers in the Sheffield area and therefore it would be hard to select a jury for the inquests that had not been influenced in some way by their version of the 'facts'. The Sheffield Star reported:

'Many supporters were still propping up the bars at 2.30pm. They raced to the stadium arriving at the Leppings Lane end at the height of the crush. Some of them were the worse for drink, others without tickets were hoping to sneak in. Hubble bubble toil and trouble.. drunkenness and ticketlessness were now added to the equation.'

The Yorkshire Post continued the attack: 'Thousands of fans began the fatal charge… thousands of latecomers tried to force their way into the ground...'

The military language was a popular theme throughout the reporting of the Hillsborough Disaster. The Manchester Evening News was typical: 'The Anfield Army charged on to the terrace behind the goal - many without tickets.'

Whilst the content and quality of so much of the reporting is appalling, the Evening Standard is deserving of particular consideration for it perfectly highlights the stereotyping not just of football fans but Liverpool people generally:

'How long will it take for it publicly to be acknowledged that fans themselves share the blame?… The catastrophe was caused first and foremost by violent enthusiasm for soccer, in this case the tribal passions of Liverpool supporters. They literally killed themselves and others to be at the game.'

This view was echoed at an international level in the comments of Jacques Georges, President of UEFA. His view of Liverpool fans was damning:

'One had the impression that they were beasts waiting to charge into the arena.'

Surprisingly one of the most offensive reports came from much closer to home, the Liverpool Daily Post. An article written by John Williams and entitled: "I blame the yobs" warrants extensive quoting:

'So it was at Hillsborough that the yobs made enough nuisance of themselves to convince the police that so-called gates of Hell were opened… the gatecrashers wreaked their fatal havoc. At best it was unfettered zeal. At worst it was uncontrolled fanaticism and mass hysteria which literally squeezed the life out of men, women and children. This was yobbism at its most base. People without tickets who had no right to be there were crushing to death their fellow Scousers. When it comes to apportioning blame, the accusatory finger can also be pointed at Liverpool. Scouse killed Scouse for no better reason than 22 men were kicking a ball.'

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It's very convenient to make 'The Sun' the bogeyman for everything wrong with the Hillsborough reporting, but that doesn't make it accurate.

AgaPanthers · 09/06/2014 11:56

And it distracts from the police's role in lying. It's a habit IME, that the police have not lost to this day.

Guitargirl · 09/06/2014 12:02

For those of you saying that it is an overreaction and that an apology after 25 years is sufficient, can you not think for one minute what it must have been like to walk in the shoes of those 96 families?

Your loved one goes to a football match. They die in horrendous circumstances. Those who are supposed to be responsible for safety at the match fucked up big time. And what happens afterwards? Your loved one is deemed complicit in his/her own death. Their fellow Liverpool supporters are accused of stealing from the victims when they were doing everything they could to get help from those supposed to be in control. The authorities go into reputation damage control. A national newspaper prints horrendous accusations and lies directed at your loved one and their friends and family members. Those lies are repeated at parliamentary level. You do everything you can to right the wrongs you are hearing and it takes 25 years to get people to listen. Those families are still fighting. Mothers/fathers/siblings of those who were killed have died during that time.

An overreaction? Really?

Guitargirl · 09/06/2014 12:10

Aga - I am not saying for one minute that The Sun were the only newspaper printing lies but the Sheffield Star and the Yorkshire Post have not, as far as I know, entered into a contract with Royal Mail to post a copy of their publication to every home in England.