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to think the 'common law/freeman on the land' thing is a whole load of bollocks?

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qwertypop · 01/06/2014 20:10

I've come across a few people over the last few years that take it very seriously and bang on at length about how the police and courts have no authority over them as they are self declared 'freemen'. Something to do with common law being the only true law in Britain, I think? And not having to wear bike helmets or pay for TV licenses or repay your debts also seem important to the ones I've had the dubious pleasure of meeting.

A couple I met at the weekend have taken the biscuit though and not registered their baby's birth because apparently this will mean said baby grows up to be a 'freeman' (she's actually a girl but the term appears to be freeman anyway). They believe quite firmly that to register her birth will mean that the law assumes her and her name (which is a fucking corker, of course) are one and the same and that only by NOT registering her birth can she be free to be a human being. Quite what this actually means is a mystery to me and tbh the mumbo jumbo they gave me by way of an answer leads me to suspect they don't really know either Hmm

I've tried to read up on it but all the info I can find is written in a style you'd expect of an paranoid, delusional, and possibly hallucinating chimpanzee let loose with a legal dictionary.

So AIBU to think this is bollocky woo of the most fucking ridiculous type? Or is someone going to come along and actually enlighten me as to wtf its all about, preferably in plain English with no pseudo-legalese?

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OOAOML · 05/08/2015 11:00

How have I missed this thread before??? And if I get into trouble for the fact I have been skimming 25 pages of this when I should have been working, can I claim that I only have to work when I personally agree to it, despite that pesky contract I signed and the fact the company pay me and stuff?

Coffeemarkone · 05/08/2015 11:19

" And if there were these loopholes, Tony Blair would have closed them."

that is so so true.

FundamentalistQuaker · 05/08/2015 17:45

Exactly, LisaMed. Plus, people are selling these supposedly magical ways around the law on the internet, sometimes for large sums, to the vulnerable.

It's not just another opinion, it is a con. Heaven help the poor dupes shelling out for this information then trying to use it in court actions. Now that legal aid has been decimated, we really do need to fight all the charlatans flooding in to take advantage.

Mrsbiscuitmonster · 05/08/2015 20:32

I completely agree.

What maddens me is that my place of work uses tax payers money. I HATE the fact that these crazy people correspond with us unrelentingly, spouting all sorts of irrelevant stupid nonsense eg; "you can't touch me legally as the queen swore at her coronation to protect her subjects, and I am one" and the time and resources spent having to respond to this time and time again, could be better and more deservedly spent dealing with actual tax payers, whose money essentially pays mine and my colleagues wages and funds our place of work.

Silly petulant nonsense the lot of it.

Nettymaniaa · 06/08/2015 09:09

The wiki link described it all as pseudolegal woo. I love that.

SocietyoftheSpectacle · 19/12/2015 13:18

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Dawndonnaagain · 19/12/2015 14:41

Oh do go away.

LisaMed · 31/03/2016 14:39

Fucking Freeman of the fucking land on the fucking swindle...

www.fca.org.uk/news/consumer-notice-were-bank

Some bright spark, apparently going with the whole fucking freeman on the land thing, has set up an alleged bank, which will give you a cheque book full of iffy cheques. You have to pay money for this cheque book, of course.

If someone refuses to accept this cheque it is erroneously believed that the money will be no longer owed. It is. You still have to pay up. You may, however, have already spent the rent money thinking that the WeRe cheque would cover it. When it doesn't you are fucked.

Other links - www.theguardian.com/money/2015/sep/17/fca-issues-warning-over-were-bank

www.quatloos.com/Q-Forum/viewtopic.php?t=10879

It's the same sort of myth - we know a magic word that will make all the bad stuff go away and if you pay us then we will let you have this magic word and aren't you clever that you can find the magic word and all those people who act like they are more successful can't.

Just as my blood pressure was going down...

reflectionist · 18/07/2016 17:58

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SlinkyVagabond · 18/07/2016 18:34

Oh hooray, it's back! I don't know about you lot, but I'm just so fucking relieved, in this world of confusion and trouble, THAT SOMEONE KNOWS EVERYTHING!

LikeDylanInTheMovies · 18/07/2016 18:38

HOWEVER, THERE ARE PEOPLE, SUCH AS MYSELF, WHO ARE COMPLETELY AWARE, AND WHEREBY NO AUTHORITY CAN TELL ME ANYTHING BECAUSE I KNOW EVERYTHING.

Well you don't know how to turn caps lock off for a start off do you? You really are a clueless fucknugget or 'clueless of the family fucknugget' if you'd prefer.

I'd love to debate your batshit theories further, but I have a dishwasher to unpack... y'know back on planet earth.

AppleMagic · 18/07/2016 18:38

HOWEVER, THERE ARE PEOPLE, SUCH AS MYSELF, WHO ARE COMPLETELY AWARE, AND WHEREBY NO AUTHORITY CAN TELL ME ANYTHING BECAUSE I KNOW EVERYTHING.

Sounds reasonable Grin

TheUnsullied · 18/07/2016 18:48

This thread makes my day every time it gets revived Grin

reflectionist are you trying to tell me that you can murder someone and confess to it but because you claim to be a free man of the land, you lie outside the justice system?

DownstairsMixUp · 18/07/2016 18:59

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lasttimeround · 18/07/2016 19:05

Hahahahahaha

Mewtoo · 18/07/2016 19:15

Yay it's back!

Their victories are only ever due to organisations not having endless time, money and patience to pursue them, judges deciding they can't be arsed, mistakes in the paperwork or the "freeman" not having a pot to piss in. Not the fringing on a flag or whatevs.

Spudlet · 18/07/2016 19:19

HOWEVER, THERE ARE PEOPLE, SUCH AS MYSELF, WHO ARE COMPLETELY AWARE, AND WHEREBY NO AUTHORITY CAN TELL ME ANYTHING BECAUSE I KNOW EVERYTHING.

There is a problem here. This should clearly be in green ink. Perhaps MNHQ could amend?

Also, this thread = fab Grin

SwedishEdith · 18/07/2016 19:26

Can someone summarise what... no, no, no, best not. I'm guessing there's a Venn diagram crossover between these and Farage/Trump supporter types?

LisaMed1 · 18/07/2016 19:28

If it was real there would be an MSE board. Those people are really clued up.

What I want to understand is what the people who post in caps are so angry about it? They seem to really froth at the thought that there is this hidden knowledge. None of them will lead from here, in plain English, to where they are. Not one of these supposedly intelligent people, who know so much, are able to put together a coherent argument.

There are some incredibly smart people on Mumsnet, they don't get it, I don't get it, why won't someone have the nerve to nail their colours to the mast and explain without selling us a seminar?

TheUnsullied · 18/07/2016 19:29

Yeah, pretty much, Swedish. But imagine that person trying to talk themselves out of getting arrested for a crime by shouting "a girl has no name!"

LisaMed1 · 18/07/2016 19:29

SwedishEdith apparently it becomes compulsory to post in caps.

SwedishEdith · 18/07/2016 19:40

If I think if I KNEW EVERYTHING I'd be pretty cool about it

LikeDylanInTheMovies · 18/07/2016 22:22
SlinkyVagabond · 19/07/2016 23:26

Lisa I think they/he/she is angry because he (for the sake of brevity) KNOWS EVERYTHING AND WE WONT LISTEN. It's like the Internet version of a toddler stamping their feet and screaming because an adult cant understand when they talk bobbins. (Just like they are doing here)