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AIBU?

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To tell ds1 (7) that it is highly unlikely he will play cricket (or anything else) for England?

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lecce · 30/05/2014 19:36

Just that really. He has recently discovered sport, mainly football, cricket and tennis, after showing no interest in the past. He was gushing on, like he does, about how he will probably play for England, how great he is, etc etc. I gently told him that only a tiny minority of people who enjoy playing a sport will reach professional level. I mentioned the extraordinary dedication, as well as natural talent, required for this to happen. I told him that of course he can try, but I think it's fair to say that I put the dampners on the idea, in fact the phrase 'pissed on his strawberries' immediately sprang to mind, though that was certainly not my intention. I am posting because he did look really crushed, and that made me doubt myself.

Context is that he attends a small school and has been on the top table since he joined in Y1. I get the impression that he is top of the class in nearly everything that is measured (from his teacher, she told me that there was one other child at a similar level, but that ds was working ahead in most areas) and that other children seem to be aware of this. Ds has a bit of a 'professor' persona going on - he loves reading, documentaries etc and I think he, ahem, enjoys sharing his knowledge at school. I have worried in the past about his social skills, but he seems fine now, has plenty of friends and his teacher describes him as 'so nice'. However, he is always telling us that others children have said stuff like 'why are you so clever?" etc and, from what he says, his 'cleverness' is frequently commented on by peers and teachers.

I don't think this is doing him much good. He seems to expect to excel at everything and, if he doesn't, gets ridiculously frustrated. He took up chess recently and skim-read the age appropriate book we got him, declared himself an expert and promptly discovered he was not. Although this resulted in a lot of upset, we saw it as a valuable lesson: He's bright but not 'the best' in everything.

So AIBU to temper his ambitions somewhat?

OP posts:
Boaty · 30/05/2014 21:59

At that age I wanted to play football for England mens team ..there were no girls' teams where I lived and playing football with the boys wasn't an option apart from impromptu kickabouts on the local playing fields.
My mother just went along with my dreams. She never crushed my dreams.
I now play football in a team..I will never be much good but I love it!
and I'm middle-aged now Grin

GrendelsMinim · 30/05/2014 22:00

I think there's an age at which a hefty dose of realism is an excellent thing - I'm still grateful to the 6th form teacher who told me to think about what careers I might have a realistic chance of achieving - but that age 7 probably isn't there yet.

If he's still planning to be an England cricketer aged 16, and the talent isn't there, then that's when you can sit him down and suggest that he becomes an accountant Wink

samsam123 · 30/05/2014 22:05

you never know ! some little 7 year old boy is going to get in the team so why not him get him playing in local teams to teat himself

goshhhhhh · 30/05/2014 22:07

Someone obviously will be good enough. Why not him? What usually gets them there is an amazing sense if optimism & outrageous self belief despite everything. He was doing quite well....

Rainbunny · 30/05/2014 22:07

So here's the thing, your DS may well never be a national level competitor but then again, you never know, he might. He definitely won't though if you tell him he can't do it.

My parents were like this, they were both very academic and not at all into any sports. They encouraged me academically thoughout school but were disdainful about my participation in any sports that involved extra-curricular practices end competitions. My mum in particular was negative about my sports abilities (tennis was my world). As a child I never questioned them, even though throughout secondary school I did really well in sports, class captain every year for sports day and team captain for hockey and netball etc... All I wanted to do was play tennis and it wasn't until I was an adult that I had the opportunity to join a club and really focus on it as a sport. I play at competitive club level now but I'll be honest, I'll always wonder if I had been able to train and play tennis as I so desperately wanted to as a child, how far could I have gotten? Very likely nowhere near good enough to be professional but I wish I'd had the chance to at least try.

As parents we influence our kids consciously and unconsciously, my parents were lovely but their disdain for sports impacted my life and I didn't even realise it until I was older.

Sorry for the rant, I'm watching the French Open right now and I always get these thoughts when I'm watching a gland slam event!

Iswallowedawatermelon · 30/05/2014 22:10

Yabu

I think that is a bit mean.

He will discover his limits in his own way.

Kewcumber · 30/05/2014 22:11

When I was 7 I wanted to be a stripper.

Footballer/cricketer seems a fine aim to me!

KatieKaye · 30/05/2014 22:15

Awww - poor little guy.
Let him dream. And encourage him to work towards his dreams. Every international cricketer has to start off somewhere, just like your son. Who knows, he might get capped one day. Or he might play for his county - or even just for fun.

PrincessBabyCat · 30/05/2014 22:15

He's 7. He's got the rest of his life to be ground down and saddled with reality. Let him have outrageous dreams.

GrendelsMinim · 30/05/2014 22:17

Rainbunny - I don't know if this will cheer you up at all, but I guess you might well have ended up in the very awkward situation where you're good enough to try to make it as a professional, spend many years of dedication and sacrifice, and ultimately find you're not quite good enough to really make it at the top. My BF is an ex-international athlete and through her I've met a lot of young people who've ended up in a very difficult situation in their mid 20s. (Yes, one of her former athletics pals is a household name, but one of the others was bankrupt and homeless.)

blacknotebook · 30/05/2014 22:20

I do think YABU. This is a really great thought provoking and powerful talk I saw the other day on TED about what stops us following our passions which you might want to watch: www.ted.com/talks/larry_smith_why_you_will_fail_to_have_a_great_career

Objection · 30/05/2014 22:25

YABU, OP.
There just wasn't a need to tell him that at 7.

Ericaequites · 30/05/2014 22:27

No, it's not unreasonable to explain that very few people grow up to play professional sports. Far too much attention and emphasis are placed on sports. Texas is worst at this around American football, but Texas deserves its own planet for peculiar obsessions.

wafflyversatile · 30/05/2014 22:32

My parents were like this and I'm now a good little underachiever.

Don't take away his dreams. Use them to get him to put the effort in.

Do praise effort rather than results.

I can understand that you don't want him to get a massive shock when he becomes a small fish in a big pond.

worriedabout · 30/05/2014 22:34

Half and half on this one. Not entirely sure it does children any good to be told that they can do whatever they wan't when they can't but on the other hand part of being a child is having crazy dreams.

Enjoyingmycoffee1981 · 30/05/2014 22:38

Pissing on his parade, is the term I would have used.

In life, lots of people will bring us down, either intentionally or unintentionally.

What is so wrong with having your parents being the people who constantly big you up, who think the sun shines from your arse? My parents thought my siblings and I were the most fantastic, awesome creatures ever to walk this earth. I can categorically confirm we are not, as my son and daughter are.

littledrummergirl · 30/05/2014 22:44

My ds1 is 13. When he was younger aprox 8 there were other dcs competing in his sport who were much better than him. These dcs no longer do the sport whereas ds1 trains a lot and is very committed.
He took part in a national schools event this year and competes regionally and at other national events. He recently met a couple of olympians who medalled in his sport and had the opportunity to do a very short fun session with them. He has been totally inspired.

I tell my dcs they can do anything they put their minds to. They need to learn the skills and work hard. It may not be easy but with perseverance they can succeed.
Ywbu.

libertytrainers · 30/05/2014 22:49

you saying that could be the impetus that makes him more driven to succeed though so could work both ways

lbsjob87 · 30/05/2014 23:05

Sorry but I think that when you're seven, you can dream of being whatever you like. He's got plenty of time to find out if he's good enough.
TBH, he probably doesn't even realise what playing for England involves at this age.
He might be heading towards disappointment, but what if he actually is good enough and never finds out because he gives up?
I was chucked out of my local choir when I was seven because, to be fair, I couldn't sing.
But I was GUTTED. I refused to sing in public, even at weddings etc for 15+ years afterwards.
And at least playing for England is actually a thing. My DD (5) wants to be a professional vegetable when she grows up. An actual vegetable. Try thinking of the career prospects for that. But at the moment, that's what she wants to be, so we don't discourage her. She'll find out soon enough.

EduardoBarcelona · 30/05/2014 23:07

I've always told my son he will play for England. I still do. He's 13.

sharonthewaspandthewineywall · 30/05/2014 23:08

Aww that's so mean he's 7 fgs Hmm

badtime · 30/05/2014 23:09

I think people are giving you a hard time unnecessarily, OP.

I was one of those children who was always top of the class without trying, right up until I the time I wasn't, and had no idea how to apply myself and work towards something. It took me quite a while to teach myself how to do that.

I think it might really help your son to understand that there are some things he will not be the best at, and there are some things he will have to work hard to be good at. As long as you explained things in a positive and encouraging way, I think YANBU.

(I did work it out in the end; in my 30s I represented my country in a popular amateur sport that I had approximately no natural talent for but worked really hard at. Your son may end up representing England at a sport you have never even heard of!)

MegBusset · 30/05/2014 23:11

I think yabu! DS1 is also 7 and claims that either he is going to be an astronaut or "a supervillain who lives in a volcano". Neither is very likely to happen but I don 't tell him that fgs! I just say (in either case!) that he will have to work hard at school.

MegBusset · 30/05/2014 23:12

Pmsl at professional vegetable Grin

manicinsomniac · 30/05/2014 23:12

Hmmm, well, while I hate the culture of telling our children that they are always wonderful, good at everything and can achieve absolutely anything they want to, I do think it is a little mean to crush a 7 year old's dreams. Yes, they're probably unrealistic but you never know and, even if they are, he could still get to a high level and find a life long hobby/passion.

My DDs (11 and 7) are both convinced they are going to be professional dancers. They won't be. I teach performing arts and I can tell the difference between talented with good training and gifted with something seriously special, even at DD2's age. I'm not going to tell them that though. They are both very good dancers, get huge amounts of fun out of it and can enjoy getting to as high a level as possible. They might well be able to use it in whatever career they do choose (just as I have). They might even make it on the stage in an all-roundy kind of way.

I had a little girl in my class once who joined the school aged 9. She immediately became obsessively enthusiastic about athletics (she was slightly aspergic) and was absolutely devastated when she turned out not to be any good. Every time she came back to the classroom in floods of tears all I could say was that if she loved it she could keep trying, have fun and could only improve with practice. 4 years later when she left the school she took with her the trophy for the best performing girl athlete. She won't ever make it professionally but if her dreams had been crushed at 9 by our sports staff she would never have made it to the regional level I believe she is now competing at.

As the corny saying goes - 'aim for the moon because the worst that can happen is that you land on a star.'

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