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AIBU?

Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

To be kind of shocked by what my wife just did and worried about the fall out.

77 replies

ComposHat · 27/05/2014 16:16

My wife is visiting her mother at the moment. Her mother is a cold, difficult and antisocial woman. I wouldn't describe her as toxic, but just distant and not engaged with her children. By all accounts it was the same in their childhood, most of the emotional and practical parenting was done by my wife's dad (They divorced when my wife was in her late teens and her dad has remarried).

Anyway about six months ago she heard about a scheme to provide supported lodging to young care leavers in exchange for what seemed like an attractive weekly payment. I used to work for social services and briefly worked as part of a scheme to help care leavers adjust to independent living. Almost of the young people we worked with needed huge amounts of practical and emotional support and placements would break down all the time.

Despite my best efforts to explain it wouldn't be like having a lodger who will come and go and keep themselves to themselves but would be a huge commitment, she seems dead seat on pursuing it. I really can't say if it is a case of pound signs in front of her eyes or just dreadful naivety on her part, but anyway the social worker handling this asked to speak to my wife about whether she thought her mother would be suitable.

Anyway I spoke to my wife today to ask how the meeting with the social worker and she was interviewed about her relationship with her mother. She told the social worker that she felt her mother was totally unsuitable, that she was cold, selfish, emotionally boxed off and had been a crap mother and was a racist (more a Daily Mail spouting reactionary bigot rather than a skull measuring neo nazi).

This has shocked me a bit as whilst we've both grumbled about her mother from time to time, she has never spoken about her in these terms to me. I'm a little bit taken aback and think if any good has come out of this, it is that it will hopefully put the kibosh on the care leavers thing (which from an outsiders perspective is probably for the best) but I am worried about how their relationship will play out from here on in. I think my wife's mother will strongly suspect why she hasn't been accepted and will sour the relationship between them.

I really don't envy her being in that position: on one hand I think it is good that she's spoken her mind to the social worker and in a sense has possibly saved her mother from herself, but I am worried about the ramifications for their long term relationship and she'll be upset by the fallout. I know it doesn't concern me directly but I'm worried for her.

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ProudAS · 27/05/2014 16:20

Doesn't sound like they had much of a relationship to start with!

WaitingForMe · 27/05/2014 16:22

I think YABU. You should be nothing but proud of your wife. What should she have done? Let her mother be in a position of authority with vulnerable people?

MammaTJ · 27/05/2014 16:22

I think that your wife, having been at the receiving end of her mums behaviour, is the better person to judge whether she has done the right thing or not.

She maye have decided that the risking the crappy relationship she has with her was worth it to protect vulnerable teens from the same thing.

Good for her. I think she has done the right thing.

shoppingfrenzy · 27/05/2014 16:24

I'm not sure what you wanted your wife to do - lie to the social worker, and say her mother would be suitable? It sounds as though your wife did the only thing she could do - tell the truth. Maybe she felt it had to be in strong terms because she feels so strongly about it. It does sound as though your MIL would be the worst kind of person to take on this sort of role!

Surely the social workers won't tell your MIL the exact wording, they'll just tell her she's been deemed unsuitable. I can't imagine they'd do that just on your wife's word, they'll visit your MIL as well, and may well be able to see this for themselves.

Bellezeboobian · 27/05/2014 16:25

I don't think you're being unreasonable, you're fully entitled to feel shocked and worried about it.

But she did the right thing, be happy with that

ViviPru · 27/05/2014 16:25

it sounds like she relished the opportunity to get these feelings off her chest while preventing a potentially disastrous situation. She can just be evasive if her mother suspects or questions her regarding what she said.

CasperGutman · 27/05/2014 16:26

I would hope that the social worker would treat what your wife said in confidence and be circumspect as to the reasons your mother won't be suitable.

vestandknickers · 27/05/2014 16:27

I think your wife sounds amazing.

What a brave thing to do.

ComposHat · 27/05/2014 16:27

No but she can be sometimes very defensive of her mother and I think she feels sorry for her. Her dad left her mum for another woman and at the time her extended family seemed to take his side (their attitude was seemingly 'can you blame him?') and I suspect she is depressed.

She isn't the sort of person you'd warm easily to, but I am not sure if her current alienation from those around her is the cause or a symptom of what happened to her. Either way my wife and her sister bore the brunt of it.

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BuzzardBird · 27/05/2014 16:28

I feel she did the right thing based on the bit of information you have given us. We only know that much to be true.

AmberLeaf · 27/05/2014 16:29

I thought you was going to say that she said only nice things about her mother.

I think your wife has absolutely done the right thing.

VenusDeWillendorf · 27/05/2014 16:29

I think it's between your DW and her mother tbh.

Your job is to support your DW, not agonise over her feelings (which she's entitled to) and decisions based on those which don't affect you

UriGeller · 27/05/2014 16:29

Well there are care-leavers now that will have a more suitable place to live now that your wife has been so honest. Perhaps its was partly these kids she was thinking of, as well as a chance to air her long held grievances.

wafflyversatile · 27/05/2014 16:30

She did the right thing to be honest about their relationship. Maybe her DM will know or suspect or not. Maybe she will think it is you as you have tried to put her off. Maybe they'll still go for it...

If there is a fallout you will both have to deal with it then. I'm sure your wife is aware of the possibility. You just need to support her. It is not your wife's fault if her DM fails to deal with being turned down.

FeelingIrie · 27/05/2014 16:32

Your wife has done absolutely the right thing. You know yourself how vulnerable care leavers are.

The best thing you can do is support her and not question what she has shared with the SW. Your wife may be feeling pretty shocked in herself too and may need reassurance, which you can give her.

Your MiL does not sound like a suitable candidate to provide supported lodgings. Thankfully your DW has had the balls to tell SS her experiences.

fingersonbuzzers · 27/05/2014 16:32

I think your wife did the right thing.

One of my oldest and closest friends has literally just gone through the process to provide supported lodgings (and it was a tough process - lots of panel interviews).

She asked me to provide a reference and I was absolutely 100% honest as it would be utterly wrong to do anything else.

I doubt very much that your MIL will be told the contents of her daughter's reference, I would just brazen it out tbh!

ICanSeeTheSun · 27/05/2014 16:33

So what did you want your wife to do lie to SS and put those who are vunuable in Mil care.

What ever the fall out, just support her.

ComposHat · 27/05/2014 16:33

vest I am kind of proud of her, I wouldn't have had the moral courage to do what she did. I would have probably said 'I really don't think my mum has understood what is involved, she's struggled since retirement and I don't think this is the right thing as she isn't equipped to deal with this.'

Which would be me trying to balance protecting my mother with doing the right thing for the young people concerned. Thinking about it, that would probably be the worse of all worlds as the social worker would think that she needed more support and information rather than 'she is completely ill suited for this and doing it for all the wrong reasons.'

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emotionsecho · 27/05/2014 16:34

Did your wife say this to the Social Worker in front of her mother? If not, surely whatever has been said by your wife will be totally confidential and her mother will not know about it? Her mother may suspect, but surely when/if she is turned down the reasons will be vague?

I should imagine your wife thought about the ramifications of speaking out before she did so and as she decided to speak she clearly thought that was (rightly so) the better course of action.

It is good you are worried for her my only advice is to support her should there be any fall-out.

FWIW all credit to your wife for doing the right thing.

OfficerVanHalen · 27/05/2014 16:34

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MrsBrianODriscoll · 27/05/2014 16:35

Good on her.

BookFairy · 27/05/2014 16:37

I work with Care Leavers and am so glad your wife was honest. There are enough unsuitable lodging providers, we don't need anymore!

Your wife did the right thing :)

BitterAndOnlySlightlyTwisted · 27/05/2014 16:38

The mother will be told the reasons for being rejected in very couched terms. She will never know what her daughter's opinion was. There will be no fall-out on that score unless your wife admits it to her mother.

I'm another who thinks that she's been very brave by being so candid.

ComposHat · 27/05/2014 16:39

It was in private so I am pretty sure her mother won't get a blow by blow account, but it won't take her long to put two and two together.

TO be honest this has surprised me and I know she's done the right thing, but am just a bit agog by it. It isn't a situation I would have liked to have been put in.

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DioneTheDiabolist · 27/05/2014 16:40

OP YANBU to be shocked or worried. However your wife did the right thing. She showed strength, integrity and honesty. I am sure she will handle any fallout with the same fortitude.

Be proud of your wife and supportive of her in the times ahead.