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To believe a degree does not make one clever...

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KeepOnKeepingOnAndOnAndOnAndOn · 20/05/2014 19:15

I have a standard degree from a rather prestigious uni (this ain't no stealth boast btw!) and I still feel I am not half as intelligent as many i meet. People assume I will be, because of said degree.

I would like some sort of a career, possibly in teaching, but fear I am no longer clever enough (baby brain/ too much drink and drugs as a wayward teen etc etc )

When I speak of this I often get the answer, "But you have a degree..."

My degree was pretty easy and I did the bare minimum to get by. It doesn't fill me with confidence at all about my levels of intelligence :/

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CoffeeTea103 · 20/05/2014 19:18

Yabu, with a degree you do gain some specialist knowledge as opposed to not having a degree at all.

spanky2 · 20/05/2014 19:21

A degree shows you can learn book knowledge! My DH and I have a degree each but we are not practical at all. We got stuck in ds2's school because we couldn't work out how to unlock the door!

thecatfromjapan · 20/05/2014 19:23

OK. So this post is actually about your confidence being trashed post-baby?

How old is your child? If you really want to study for a PGCE, do it. I'm sure it will be fine. Juggling (what a euphemism!) work/studying with a child is hard - very hard - but with support, you can manage it. Don't be shy about asking for support, though. I think one of the reasons we find it so hard is because there is not enough truth out there about how tricky it can be. The result of that is that carers tend to blame themselves if they are struggling, keep it quiet and don;t ask for help.

Good luck.

PosyFossilsShoes · 20/05/2014 19:23

A degree doesn't "make you clever" but it does give you some specialist knowledge and an ability to apply that knowledge. Those skills might be rusty but you'll still have them.

indigo18 · 20/05/2014 19:28

If a degree was achieved some time ago, it generally means something. As does a degree from Oxbridge or good Russell Group University. A degree in 'Meeja' from a third rate Uni means little.

thecatfromjapan · 20/05/2014 19:34

If this is a discussion about the relationship between intelligence and having a degree ...

A degree isn't a machine for making people clever. It's a qualification. Just like a City and Guilds certificate in pattern-cutting, or a Grade certificate in music, it shows that you have passed various tests, met various criteria, and reached a certain standard in something or other.

Some people have good skills in one area and not others. Some people have global skills, at a very high level. I'm very good at pattern-recognition and at baking. Though probably not good enough to win GBBO. My baking improved a lot when I was doing a lot of it, and has declined a bit since I lost the opportunity to do so much. some people are very good at the global skills needed to be a successful medic and are good at carpentry (Oh lucky them!).

I don;t think intelligence/aptitude does go off, though you might need to brush up on whatever skill set you had. I think the body-based skills are more of an issue, such as being good at yoga or singing. That said, mathematical skills are meant to decline with age - is that true, or just a myth?

Unless you have drunk vast amounts, it does seem a bit unlikely you will have actually given yourself brain damage (which seems to be what you are saying? Am I being too literal?) - that strikes me as being really, really extreme and unlikely.

You know, I think you are basically being Really Hard On Yourself. Society treats mothers, carers and Older Women like rubbish. We are assumed to have no brain, no interests, and be utterly worthless and invisible. Do Not internalise this (Very Crap) message.

You have picked up many, many skills as a parent/carer. I bet your empathy skills are a zillion times higher than when you were at university. That is a real skill, that people pay money for. (Just as a for instance.)

Littleturkish · 20/05/2014 19:39

I find myself thinking many of my colleagues are not as intelligent as myself...until I get into their subject area and find myself out of my depth!

Build your confidence by going into schools and observe some lessons- you'll find it will give you a good idea of whether you will enjoy teaching.

As an aside, I've learnt SO MUCH since I started teaching. I learnt more about my subject in a year of teaching than I did in three years of my degree.

katykat5 · 20/05/2014 19:42

A good degree, particularly a 1st or 2:1 shows the ability to commit to something for several years, that you have specialist knowledge and you have made the effort to work. I don't think it should be written off. It's an achievement.

KeepOnKeepingOnAndOnAndOnAndOn · 20/05/2014 19:43

Thanks everyone. Thanks, thecat

I definitely am more empathetic and patient now. With regards to the booze - I did drink vast quantaties and now no longer drink. I also did a lot of drugs (no heroin or crack) just the usual party crap. I feel like my intellect has vastly declined compared to when I was 18- even 16! At 16 I had so much potential. Now I feel like a baby-brain foggled old woman- I am only mid twenties!

Ido admit a lot of it is laziness too. I know how to write correctly, but often I wont bother too much as I am no longer being assessed! I feel if I went on to do a Pgce everyone would be much cleverer than me and i would shunned.

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GoblinLittleOwl · 20/05/2014 19:43

Yup. You are probably right. Teaching ain't no place for cissies.

VIPissArtist · 20/05/2014 19:45

No a degree does not make you intelligent or even show intelligence..it also depends on what degree you do.

of course degrees have lots of value, they can train you in a certain way to look at data and so on, reasoning, research and so on....looking at the meaning behind things, but they do not as said above make you clever adn nor do you need to be clever to do one..

noblegiraffe · 20/05/2014 19:46

It's not that hard to appear clever to a bunch of teenagers, simply because you've been around a lot longer than them.

KeepOnKeepingOnAndOnAndOnAndOn · 20/05/2014 19:46

russian really!? Wow. I do hope so :) all my family are teachers and I cant help compare myself to them. They're all super intelligent (mum is classed at genius level)

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MiniTheMinx · 20/05/2014 19:47

I think it depends upon the degree subject and the institution. I am studying philosophy, ethics and politics and this degree in this institution requires a high level of critical thinking skills. However I know someone studying philosophy at a RG uni who is basically being asked to read various philosophers and regurgitate what they have read, straight up with no critique. I don't think there is a correlation between having a degree and being intelligent, but there is between reading for a degree and being "educated" At the end of the day, the best proof of intelligence is being able to think, inquire and question, not answer, regurgitate bare facts and pass exams.

TheLowestFormOfWit · 20/05/2014 19:48

I've got two degrees. Both of them were quite easy to get.

Does that make me clever, or degrees a piece of piss...? (No, neither was in philosophy!)

I definitely know people with fewer degrees who are vastly more intelligent than me.

KeepOnKeepingOnAndOnAndOnAndOn · 20/05/2014 19:49

I went to a prestigious uni and I did literature.

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Mrssodapop · 20/05/2014 19:49

Depends on where you get it from. Oxford Brookes = not clever, Oxford university = clever.

KeepOnKeepingOnAndOnAndOnAndOn · 20/05/2014 19:50

I remember people were suprised when i told them the uni I was at (I must appear dim too!)

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indigo18 · 20/05/2014 19:51

Noble - you a teacher?? That made me laugh a lot!

kinsorange · 20/05/2014 19:53

I was wondering if you were surrounded by very bright people. That is going to make you feel less bright than you probably are.

Also you are only about 5 years out of uni, so it was hardly a long time ago!

Burren · 20/05/2014 19:54

You're misunderstanding the purpose of a degree. As someone up the thread said, it's not something that 'makes you clever'. It's a formal recognition that you have demonstrated the required level of knowledge in a particular field. If you want to do a PGCE and have made an informed choice that teaching is the career for you, then go and do it.

kinsorange · 20/05/2014 19:57

there are some teachers that are not that bright. fwiw, I dont think that you will be one of them.
And not the brightest people necessarily make the best teachers either.

NobodyLivesHere · 20/05/2014 19:59

Having a degree doesn't make you a genius, not having a degree doesn't make you stupid, but the fact you have one shows you have at the VERY LEAST the capacity to learn. Your problem isn't your intelligence, it's your confidence!

LucilleBluth · 20/05/2014 20:01

I am mid History BA.......I'm finding that the keys to success is regurgitating key facts and concepts into an academic style essay......great essay writing skills and a grasp of the course content will get you far IMO.

KeepOnKeepingOnAndOnAndOnAndOn · 20/05/2014 20:03

kin haha! I must admit I have thought this myself.

With regards to the comparing myself to very bright people / yep ! All my family are exceptionally bright, much more intelligent than I. This probably does excaberate my self- doubt. God, I sound like a right cry baby now. Sorry folks. I don't really discuss this much in RL as often get she down with the 'course you clever, you got a degree'

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