AIBU to join Hunt Saboteurs?

[DogCalledRudis]

I already support them.
They put links on my facebook and i really really want to be one of them.

[Ploppy16]

There are ways and means to strike back at things you don't agree with. Causing distress to one animal (dog or horse) and potentially injuring another person purely to protect another animal is just as wrong as hunting itself.

[trashcanjunkie]

Some friends and I recently went to a rally outside the Sage Gateshead to hear people speak against UKIP and Nigel Farage. There were lots of different types of folk milling around getting information and quietly showing their dislike of UKIP in a democratic way.

About half way through people in black with covered faces waving enormous hunt sab flags turned up. They seemed to know that approx 6 members of the EDL would show up on the other side of the venue at the same time, and they bayed and screamed at each other, completely derailing the peaceful rally that had been going on.

I put them in the same category as each other - fucking fundamentalist cunts. I have friends who are ex-sabs and deeply ashamed of some of the things they did.

YABU but I don't expect you will give a flying fuck about the advice given here - you are already spouting thick shit.

If you want to police hunts, go and do so off your own back, with a video camera and some like minded pals. If you want to polish your fundamentalist angry views, jog on pet.

[ElephantGoesToot]

Ok, i'm an anarchist. Happy now?

Then I invite you to move to Somalia, where you can see your ideology in action.

[trashcanjunkie]

sorry - people in black should read entitled ignorant teenagers

[Lanabelle]

Hunters do not kill dogs when they are no longer hunting and to say so is ridiculous, you may be able to find a few isolated examples to support your case but in reality most of them let them live out their retirement in front of the fire getting fat(ish) and cranky like they should.

[DogCalledRudis]

I sure will be carrying a camera. And i signed up for London rally

[Dapplegrey]

If you care about animals then you could work to improve the lot of chickens kept in so called 'enriched' cages. Several of our rescue hens from such cages arrived almost completely bald.
However, that doesn't have the enjoyable class warfare aspect, does it?
If hunts are hunting within the law and following a trail why should you wish to sabotage them? Will you learn to blow a hunting horn and lure the hounds onto the road where they get run over as happened to a pack of hounds near us.

[trashcanjunkie]

Oh hang on, isn't it half term?

[DogCalledRudis]

Do you eat foxes?

[frostyfingers]

I would suggest that you've started this thread merely to start a "bunfight" of sorts. "I really really want to....." - well no-one is stopping you are they?

I know of several groups of sabs who are happy to don balaclavas, follow people to and from their homes in an attempt to find out where hunting is taking place and seem more than happy to rock cars, hurl abuse and generally threaten people. If you want to do that, then join. I'm sure there are other less provocative ways of getting your point across, but that really depends on whether you are doing it for the principle or for the entertainment value.

[FiveGoMadInDorset]

Some people do

[Ploppy16]

It's another week till half term isn't it?
You know it's funny, the only self confessed anarchist I ever came across was all mouth and no trousers.. Talked in a half educated way about animal rights and the upper classes but could never support her argument.

[Philoslothy]

BTW hunters abuse their dogs and horses

My daughter hunts, she would never abuse her horse or our dogs.

[cantbelievethisishppening]

Lanabelle unfortunately you are wrong. There is a lot of surplus that are killed either as whelps or when they have done five seasons on average. The majority of these hounds are destroyed.

[Lemongrab]

If you're ignorant and stupid and enjoy the company of similarly ignorant and stupid people, then go ahead and join them.

[DogCalledRudis]

Sorry, not only teenagers can be anarchists. Church going next doors neighbours can surprise you.

[Theodorous]

Oh just go away.

[Ploppy16]

I think littledrummer put it perfectly actually..

[EllenMumsnet]

Clearly some strong feelings here, but please avoid anything that could be a personal attack or bridge-dwelling references, so that we can have a debate without too many holes in.

It's been a long day...

[Nomama]

I thought Theodorous was quite succinct, Littledrummergirl had gone by the time I got here

Dog, be a sab if you want to. However, if you park your vehicle in the single track road that passes my house I give you fair warning that, as it isn't a car park and you are being a dickhead, one of the local farmers is likely to bulldoze it out of the way again - his cows still need milking and actually, it was true, they can't wait.

If your dog comes into my garden and sticks its nose against my stock fence and yelps the PCSO trying to keep the peace will not arrest me. Your solicitor will not issue a writ against me - and coming back at 2 am to 'get me back' will get the same response as it did last time, I will not turn the hose off until you are well off my property.

If you stand in the road swearing at me and threatening me with physical violence, letting me know you know where I live and can 'get me' whenever you want to, be prepared that one of the hunt followers does what you do - they film any threats and post them online, with your car registration clear to see - and no, they won't take it down any quicker than your lot would.

You see I live here. Your assumption that as I live outside the city I am a hunter is just that, an assumption. Your assertion that I am a rich bitch who doesn't have to work for a living and so can just fuck off is not only stupid (as is your conviction that 'bitches like [me] die of cancer of the vagina') but equally baseless.

Oh, and telling the nice woman in the B+B/pub that you need to rush back home to Sussex to sign on - that was a mistake. You see you had given enough info at the B+B for me to work out where you live. It was me who phoned the number and dobbed you in. I hope it took months to sort out. I hope your life was as badly disrupted as mine has been.

Now, Dog, now you have a bit more information, feel free to do what your conscience tells you is right!

[FrigginRexManningDay]

This has been done to death on MN. I have been around a long time so I will summarise all the other threads for you.
Pro hunt it: excercises the horses, hounds, kids love it
Anti hunt: it causes distress to an animal, can leave cubs motherless, causes damage.

And never the twain shall meet.

FWIW previous badger culls have shown rates of tb has actually risen so I really don't know why we need it.

[caroldecker]

dog from the Burns report

61 In practice, it is likely that some mixture of all of these methods would be used. In the event of a ban on hunting, it is possible that the welfare of foxes in upland areas could be affected adversely, unless dogs could be used, at least to flush foxes from cover. (Paragraph 6.61)

So hunt sabing harms fox welfare - well done

[dawndonnaagain]

I have my own opinions on this, and fully intend to keep them to myself. However, if you want to start being goady on a website, ensure you are well informed in the subject that you wish to discuss. If you wish to discuss horses and dogs it's no good knowing a bit about one and nothing about the other. If you're going to throw anarchy into the mix, be well informed about what that means too. Otherwise, bugger off and come back when you've done your homework properly.

[squirrel996]

The hunting season is in the autumn and winter when the cubs have left their mother already having been born in the spring. So you can correct that motherless cub argument straight away!

Also the hunt is normally called in by a farmer who gives the hunt permission to go on his land in order to control a particular fox that is killing chickens and other livestock. The sort of fox that goes for easy prey is likely to be either old or injured therefore not capable of hunting other prey so will most likely die a horrible slow death over the winter most likely starving.
A hound will not be able to catch a fit young healthy fox they are just not fast enough, they will normally only catch the old or injured slow ones. Foxes do need to be controlled everyone agrees this, but shooting a healthy young fox is not giving him a fair chance of getting away. This is why people hunt them with hounds and horses and not just shooting everything that moves.

Also hunt sabs may as well be rent a mob they don't care about animals they just want to cause trouble.
Justify pushing an old man out of the back of a land rover because he was trying to rescue some hound puppies that some sabs had decided to steal. Also coaxing hounds over a main road and pulling a woman off her horse so that he ran into the road too. yeah some animal lovers...