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Dog ban outside school

317 replies

stivesholiday · 15/05/2014 22:34

Recently our primary school has closed its gates to cars as our new head teacher wants to encourage as many of us to walk to school as possible.

Additionally, the new head teacher has changed the drop off and pick up rules, so that parents don't need to wait in the playground, they can do a quick wave goodbye and kiss in the morning. At the end of the day, as long as the teacher sees the parent waiting, the child can walk out of school.

Concurrently, there are a lot of people since the New Year that have gotten dogs. These factors combined mean that many more dogs are being walked to school as dog owning parents realise that if they walk the 20 mins to school and back twice a day, that it a fair chunk of their dog walking done; quite handy.

There are now around 15 dogs that are in the school area before and after school. They are not allowed in the playground, but the parents don't need to go in there anyway. So there are lots of dog owning parents waiting on the footpath behind the metal fence outside of school.

Some parents have complained that there are too many dogs at the school gate area and it is frightening for their children who are scared of dogs. These are not aggressive dogs, but many are puppies so are bouncy and they all want to play with each other.

I can see the perspective of the parents with small children that feel scared. They have put a petition together to ask the head to ban dogs from outside the school.

Am I being unreasonable to think that as long as the dogs are not in the school grounds, are not acting aggressively, are on a lead/under control, there is nothing that these parents can do, no matter what the petition?

I put my hands up to owning an 8 month old puppy. One mother asked me via Facebook to not walk my dog to and from school and I said no because I'm doing nothing wrong. I likened it to not wanting a strangers car parked outside your house but you can do nothing about it if they have paid their road tax.

OP posts:
Bowlersarm · 16/05/2014 20:49

Because he is part of the family. As previously stated.

UncleT · 16/05/2014 20:49

No, that's not an explanation of why it 'needs' to go.

Bowlersarm · 16/05/2014 20:50

In my family, it is.

RufusTheReindeer · 16/05/2014 20:50

My tortoise is part of the family

He is going to be really pissed off on Monday ....right the way way through til June Grin

UncleT · 16/05/2014 20:50

OK, so you can't actually explain the 'need'. That's fine - proves the point very well indeed.

Bowlersarm · 16/05/2014 20:52

No, Rufus, your tortoise doesn't need to go for a walk, or benefit from petting. He doesn't give a stuff whether he is included in family life or not.

soverylucky · 16/05/2014 20:53

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Bowlersarm · 16/05/2014 20:53

I don't need to explain anything to you, uncle. Dogs are part of the family. Well hopefully, to dog owning families.

UncleT · 16/05/2014 20:53

Does the dog give you an ear bashing if you nip out for ten minutes without it then? Please.

Bowlersarm · 16/05/2014 20:54

No, sovery, that would be odd.

ravenAK · 16/05/2014 20:55

My dc are part of my family, but I don't take them along on a pub crawl, because it would be an inappropriate & stressful environment for them, & piss other people off.

I'm not saying that dogs on the school run are automatically a Bad Thing. Fine if there's somewhere for them to wait out of the way of children leaving the school, &/or if they are well behaved.

But I don't think the 'part of the family' argument trumps other families' right to leave school without running the gauntlet of 15 'bouncy' dogs in a confined space.

Bowlersarm · 16/05/2014 20:55

Oh don't be so silly, uncle.

UncleT · 16/05/2014 20:55

I am not disputing that you view it as part of the family - but that's not a reason for it to 'need' to go on the school run.

LoveSardines · 16/05/2014 20:55

Someone upthread said that they felt that the OP & other dog owners at the school were doing it on purpose to make a point.

That seems really petty and horrible to me (scaring children to make a point, over something that they have no choice in like going to school) but it seems that plenty of posters would do the same thing.

I don't really understand it. It's a 4 foot wide path. The dogs will take up half the width, there are 15 of them. Some are "bouncy". All will be able to reach the people (adults, children, toddlers, pushchairs) passing.

I really don't understand why anyone can't see a problem with this. Genuinely I don't get it. Can anyone explain why this is a perfectly reasonable state of affairs?

Bowlersarm · 16/05/2014 20:56

It's a public space, raven, not for you to say whether families should bring their dogs or not.

UncleT · 16/05/2014 20:57

So again, just because you feel like it and don't give a shit about how others might be affected. And you wonder why people get pissed off at the selfishness of dog owners?

Bowlersarm · 16/05/2014 20:58

What, for taking their dogs in dog acceptable places? Yes I do wonder.

UncleT · 16/05/2014 20:59

No, outside a school, en masse with other dogs, knowing that many children are freaked out by them.

ravenAK · 16/05/2014 20:59

well, when I'm in a public space I try to behave in a way that reflects the fact that other people are using it too - hence 'public' - & doesn't upset them.

See Tooold's post above for an example of how, IMO, a responsible dog owner might apply this.

Obviously not everyone feels the same way about considerate use of public spaces: hence this thread.

RufusTheReindeer · 16/05/2014 21:02

bowlersarm

It was actually a joke, didn't disagree with you at all

He would be really pissed though

RufusTheReindeer · 16/05/2014 21:03

The tortoise I mean, just in case that wasn't clear

Bowlersarm · 16/05/2014 21:04

Grin sorry, verrrrry slow tonight

SmashingPumpkins · 16/05/2014 21:04

I have a dog and often take her on the school run as we live in the country and she gets a nice walk out of it. We are lucky in that the school drop off area is a big space and I keep my dog on a short lead within that space as much for her well being as that of the school children who have the right to get to school without having any unwelcome interaction with dogs, well behaved or otherwise.

There is no way I would impose my dog on others within the context the OP describes. It would be exciting and possibly stressful for my dog and not fair on people who don't like/have/want to interact with dogs.

I have a well behaved dog who is sociable and trained, she would get excited and bouncy around 15 other dogs. I don't believe that all of these 15 dogs are polite and well behaved. I know that my polite and well behaved dog would be excitable in that sort of situation, and she is an adult well trained good girl with excellent recall and good manners.

Not everybody likes dogs and shouldn't have to interact them if they don't want to.

RufusTheReindeer · 16/05/2014 21:08

bowlersarm

Except when he is after a shag...the he is like Ayrton fucking senna!

Bowlersarm · 16/05/2014 21:13

Rufus, have good friends who have tortoises, their stories keep us all like Shock when we see them. You have no -repeat no- tortoise stories which would shock us!