A good friend of mine has turned Vegan (rant alert)

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And is banging on about how disgusting the meat industry is etc etc, putting provocative shit on facefuck and generally shoving it down my throat. (and her other friends too i imagine). She has two young children and is now thinking about feeding them a vegan diet too - great, im sure its very healthy, whoopie. But i don't want to become a vegan, i was veggie for a while but found it too restrictive i am too lazy and expensive to eat properly. Whatever.

You know what - if you want to be veggie, great, if you want to be and can manage to be vegan - respect! but fuck off with trying to make me feel guilty for not doing the same thing. EVERY fucking time i see or talk to you. especially when the last time i saw you shopping in tesco before you met a new group of friends you were buying battery farmed eggs

She tried to make me have soya milk and really got shitty when i said, no i'll have proper milk please, because actually, and i can't be 100% sure it was the soya or quorn but i had an allergic reaction and had to be blue lighted to hospital when i ate a veggie spag bol once before, so no thankyou very much. Thinking back i could have just had black coffee but was tired and mind fucked from her going on about the poor fucking cows....

Rant over

Male chicks are generally sent to zoos and people who keep snakes to be fed to snakes. Some are gassed and ground into chicken "products".

I have my own back garden chickens who live a life of utter luxury- I did look after a friend's cockerel for a while - they are noisy buggers and not suitable for the suburbs where I live.

Sadly, any animal which requires only a few males to fertilise many females will have a low male survival/breeding rate.
Sheep, goats and cattle all require few males and humans have simply taken advantage of this biological adaptation and started eating the surplus males.
In a domestic flock any cockerels would be killed at a few months and eaten. Coq au vin - that's the classic way to eat a cock bird!

I was veggie for 15 years - I didn't try to convert people but if they asked for my reasons I gave them. I once got cornered by a very aggressive bloke at a party who went on and on about how humans are meant to eat meat. In the end I just said "Well I don't eat meat and I'm not dead yet". At which he flounced off - I think there are some types of people who just want to ram their opinions down people's throats and it doesn't really seem to matter what opinion it is.

My friend is vegan but will make a cake using the eggs from her two hens who are free range , they are rescued commercial free range egg producers , who as someone mentioned earlier were going for the chop !

So are roasting chickens all female then?

Why can't the females be used for egg production and the males be raised and then slaughtered humanely for food? Is there less meat on them?

Ha ha, I share your pain ... reminds me of a dinner party my bastard shit the 'D'H and I gave (back in the 1970s, when people did do 'dinner parties')

Ten of us, including one of H's Rotary Club mates and his wife. Melon first course - no problem. Roast saddle of lamb main course ... Rotary wife pipes up in triumphant tone: 'I can't eat THAT, I'm vegetarian ...'

I was gobsmacked, but said um, might she be able to manage with the lovely vegetables? She glared at me and said 'couldn't you make me a quick omelette?'

I'm totally ashamed to say I did. Bitch! Still /!

Recent converts to anything are a royal pain in the arse. I hope her zealotry wears off in a bit. In the meantime, can you mute her on FB? (I don't know how FB works...)

Disclaimer: I was a vegan for more than a decade, many years ago, but I wasn't a prosletyser - not least because prosletysing puts people off! I started eating meat when I saw DS eating salami and I snapped when it became a lot easier to get reasonably ethically-produced meat, and when overall animal welfare standards improved (admittedly not a high bar).

From what I've read a Vegan diet is not healthy for young children. She sounds a total pain and will probably be on another bandwagon soon.

I am vegan by default.

Ever since I was a baby I had stomach aches, indigestion and was covered in eczema. By the time I was 14 I weighed 5 1/2 stone and couldn't eat anything. I was then diagnosed with a stomach ulcer. I was at this point given 6 weeks to live. I "recovered" but was still suffering from stomach ache after I ate most things.
It was not until I was 24 when I put 2 and 2 together and realised a link between me eating meat and stomach aches. on Jan 1st 1985 I decided to go veggie for 4 weeks.
It was like someone had handed me a new life. I have never suffered from indigestion or stomach aches. I have never eaten meat again. I was still covered in eczema.

3 years ago we went to Florida for 2 weeks. Whilst in America I found I really couldn't eat the bread there. it was like eating cake the amount of sugar it contained. After 2 weeks of cutting out bread I had patches of clear skin. It was unbelievable after 49 years I had areas of my body that no longer itched or were crusty.

Got back to England and went to see my doctor who promptly poured cold water on my observation and told me if I insisted on trying to see if I was allergic to anything then I should go wheat free for 2 weeks, then wheat and dairy free for another 2 weeks the wheat dairy and egg free for a further 2 weeks and then come back to him and he would give me a another cream to put on my eczema.

I did the 2 weeks completely wheat free, then got 10 days into the wheat and dairy free fortnight and I was free of any crusty itchy skin. I have never looked back. Nor did I go back to my doctor. After 49 years of having to wash my hair 1- 3 times per day. Of feeling self conscious of itching and of leaving a heap of dead skin where ever I sat. Of being teased all through my teens. My only wish is that someone had pointed my mother and then me into the direction that what I ate was causing the problems I had.

As for eggs, I hate them. However I love Quorn. I eat it daily.

The first rule of vegan club is you HAVE to talk about vegan club.

Oddly, they don't seem to give a shit about the couple of thousan soil mites that die in every square metre of land every time it's ploughed.

Schwarzeneggersgirl
Don't get me wrong, I'm really happy your health problems have resolved, but if you eat Quorn, which contains eggs, you are not “vegan by default”, you are an ovo-vegetarian: eats eggs, but no meat or dairy products. A small distinction, but an important one to vegans who are sick of hearing “my friend is vegan too but she eats Quorn, you're just being fussy!” Telling people you are vegan when you eat non vegan food confuses the issue.

*So are roasting chickens all female then?

Why can't the females be used for egg production and the males be raised and then slaughtered humanely for food? Is there less meat on them?*

Due to modern selective breeding, laying hens differ from meat production strains. Meat hens are intended to put on a lot of weight in a short space of time before being slaughtered young, laying hens have to last longer to produce eggs. Raising males of the laying strain for meat would not be as profitable because they would not put on as much weight as quickly, so sadly they are seen as a waste product of the egg industry and disposed of.

I'm a meat eater who likes to choose more ethically produced meat. I'm a it pissed off a being told that I have to eat the crap pork pies at buffets so the veggies get first dibs. Why should I limit my choices, I quite like a bit of veggie quiche.

Going from battery farmed eggs to vegan is one heck of a jump. As compensation for you, I don't think it'll last long, especially if it's just following a trend.

Viviennemary, vegan diet can be healthy but you have to work at it. It's very easy to miss out on b vitamins particularly. I would be nervous about putting young kids on to it tbh, but it could be done if you're very careful and the kids aren't fussy eaters like mine. A propos of not much I'm veggie and have raised my kids that way. I just have to worry about their iron mostly.

Topaz sorry did not realise it contained eggs. I just never eat eggs you crack.
I certainly don't miss the meat side of things but really miss smelly cheeses and thick hunks of bread. I did try soya cheese once. Once was one time too many, compressed soggy cardboard was how I describe it.

No prob.

PunkAssMoFo

I just see it as polite if you let people who you know don't eat some of the things available have first choice if there is a limited supply. Of course if there is plenty to go round then this doesn't matter as there will be enough for everyone.

I'm a meat eater who likes to choose more ethically produced meat. I'm a it pissed off a being told that I have to eat the crap pork pies at buffets so the veggies get first dibs. Why should I limit my choices, I quite like a bit of veggie quiche.

I agree Punkass. Just because I eat meat, doesn't mean that it's all I eat. Or that I'll eat any kind of meat or meat-based abomination.

I have many, many vegan friends (and one who is fully vegan except for honey which she choses to eat to support beekeeping). Not one of them is preachy. And all of them wish they could eat cheese.

However, I do have one friend who I am dreading the (almost inevitable) day she goes vegan, as whatever she does, she is the most that person in the world. She's nice, but a bit wearing.

Well, to support bees, really.

Carcharo then you need to speak to party hosts about the quality of their meat or ask them to provide more veggie food. It isn't fair on veggies. Don't blame them blame!

avoid due to being boring.

but totally vegan is not compatible with life. She will need supplements. And better hope her kids aren't fussy eaters.

everyone knows soya milk curdles in coffee

It doesn't if you heat it up a bit! (Buy yes, disgusting if you don't.)

New converts to anything can be rather tedious

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Hopefully she'll get bored of the preaching before long. Try seeing less of her until she does. I don't eat meat and it pisses me right off when other veggies bang on about it. Or when meat eaters bang on about it. Just eat your sodding food and leave me alone!!

The worst one was the newly vegan acquaintance who pestered me constantly, told me I was almost there and might as well go the whole hog. I flipped after a while and found "Ha - no thanks, I fucking love cheese!" a really effective way to shut her up. She stopped pestering and we don't tend to see each other discuss it anymore.

I'm fairly religious, yet find a friend who found God later in her life particularly fucking annoying. My faith is very important to me - always has been - but I completely understand that other people have different beliefs. I can't stand listening my friend ram God down everyone's throats at every opportunity. I hoped she'd settle down after a while but she hasn't. I try to change the subject whenever she starts babbling on about Him. Yawn!

MY FRIEND IS GOING SAME, not same person? latest is a request to vote for animal welfare party, fucking nut nut

KingJoffreysBloodshotE...

my neighbour who is vegan seems to eat a lot of processed foods (bought vegan cheese, cake, puddings, substitutes for non-vegan products), which doesn't seem terribly compatible with the health aspect, though i think she is far more concerned with the welfare aspect so clearly that's fine for her. i'm sure not all vegans eat like that of course.