to be absolutely furious about football chief and emails referring to women as 'gash'??

[BeanAboutTown]

Sorry if there are other threads about this, couldn't find any.

Richard Scudamore, head of the Premier League, has been merrily sending emails referring to women as 'gash' and 'skinny big-titted broads', 'irrational' and lots of other incendiary misogynist shite.

Oh but he's apologised. That's nice eh, nothing to see here

Apparently he reports to the Premier League Board, which is two people, one of whom is errrrrr Richard Scudamore

AIBU to think an apology is nowhere near enough and he should bloody well resign?

It's been reported that the Premier League's women's officer has been told not to make any comment. Wouldn't want the shiny-suited money-making boys' club to be unnecessarily disturbed by any harpies would we

Anyone for a Premier League boycott next season? (Congrats to Man City by the way) How about we all give our money to the women's game instead

That's good to hear. And yet you still defend them.

'Gash' is to 'vagina' what 'nigger' is to 'black'.

Sorry to keep harping on with the race comparisons, but in some communities it is acceptable for one black individual to call another black individual a "nigger" as a term of endearment. It's a mock insult, just as men may call each other dick or women may call each other bitch. It is used in social relationships where there is an informal language use agreed on by all involved and where the 'insults' are actually free of any derogatory meaning. Most importantly, there is equality between the users. Personally I still find it distasteful but each to their own.

It is something completely different when someone outside that group uses those terms in a derogatory and offensive fashion and when that person is in a position of power and authority over those he or she is using those terms about.

Woah how am I defending them?

I simply compared calling a woman gash and a man a dick.
There's no defending there.

You know the majority of men high up in football talk disparagingly about women in football? This is rife in the sport and they almost all do it. It's shocking, but he will get away with it because they'll all be giggling about and all secretly agree. Shocking.

It is considered to be attempting to mitigate when one puts forward a "but they do it too" argument

Typically turning it around into a WhatAboutTheMenz whining refrain

Have the grace to fully concede calling women as a group "gash" is nasty and wrong. You will not be struck by a Feminist Lightening Bolt and turned into a hairy manhater overnight, I promise.

If there were a similar, mainly female, powerful organisation headed by a woman, and she had used similar language about men, while at the same time claiming to be encouraging male participation, without doubt she would have been sacked. Holding those views is incompatible with inclusion. Would he have been appointed if he had shown that side at the job interview? Does he have daughters?

(I wanted to use a similar powerful female (adult) organisation as an example, but just couldn't think of one!)

"Would he have been appointed if he had shown that side at the job interview? "

Having seen MIB's post, perhaps that attitude was wot got him the job.

yes you are defending it, gotnotimefor. At least have the honesty to own your point of view. If you posted too quickly to see Pounding's post, immediately below your own, please consider what she says:

'Gash' is to 'vagina' what 'nigger' is to 'black'.

Do you get it now?

And do you understand the context? That this foul man is responsible for increasing access to football and tackling discrimination, on grounds of race, gender, etc.? Yet he insists women are 'irrational', describes them as 'big titted broads' and that he told someone to keep a female colleague 'off your shaft'?

He didn't send one poorly-phrased email, this is normal currency for him. Foul-mouthed misogyny, demeaning and insulting individual women colleagues and women in general.

Really think he's an example of someone talking reasonably and normally? Apparently he's a father of girls as well, fgs.

anyfucker

That wasn't my intention. I meant surely we should stop calling people dicks altogether. I wasn't implying that if dick is acceptable so is gash.

Have the grace to concede its wrong? I didn't say it was right.

"Apparently he's a father of girls as well, fgs."

edam

I am not defending it, that I can assure you. I was sincere in my suggestion to stop calling people cunts, twats and dicks etc.

If you counter with "but what about X, Y or Z...." then what else does it mean ?

Did you read the rest of Pounding's post?

"Sorry to keep harping on with the race comparisons, but in some communities it is acceptable for one black individual to call another black individual a "nigger" as a term of endearment. It's a mock insult, just as men may call each other dick or women may call each other bitch. It is used in social relationships where there is an informal language use agreed on by all involved and where the 'insults' are actually free of any derogatory meaning. Most importantly, there is equality between the users. Personally I still find it distasteful but each to their own.

"It is something completely different when someone outside that group uses those terms in a derogatory and offensive fashion and when that person is in a position of power and authority over those he or she is using those terms about."

Do you understand the difference?

anyfucker

I'm sorry I'm not following you. What about x,y or z ? Huh?

Wikipedia says he has five children, including at least two girls (one other has a name where gender isn't immediately obvious).

edam

Yes I read it. And I completely understand what she means.
But it isn't just friends that call each other dicks is it? I've Been called a cunt numerous times by women on here, womm whom I have never spoken to before. I have also seen women refer to numerous men mentioned in threads as dicks etc.

From the little bit I've seen in the media about this I assumed he'd said/written Cunt as they're all hat printing

Somehow, to me anyway Gash is so much worse. I not sure why?

Gash isn't the same as cunt, though is it? Cunt doesn't specifically name genitalia as wound like, or damaged. Gash does. It's particularly used as a collective noun here; thereby defining a whole class of people by their genitalia at the same time as naming that genitalia as a wound; women as a class are a damaged class in this specific instance NOT in the general use of the word cunt for an individual.

Outself, I am sorry, but this is silly. I have said that the comparison itself is a valid one. So we agree there.

Have you really said that you agree / disgree, understand / not understand my view that the constant linking of the two could have a negative effect on the way that sexism is viewed?

If so I have missed it. All I can remember is that you said that not seeing your perspective made me sexist!

You want sexism to be seen as a very bad thing, and it should be. But, and here is my opinion again, the constant linking, ooh you wouldn't say that they had said nigger, is, I think, undermining the very argument you are trying to make.

Sexism is not just like racism. It has some similarities and should be considered as inimical as racism, but,as men like Scudamore show, is not yet seen by society as a wholly unwanted phenomenon. It retains more acceptability than racism. In my opinion, we (women) would be best served/eradicated by focussing purely on sexism... and not conflating it with anything else.

Don't dilute / confuse the message. That's all.

Vile man.
Sack him.
Knob.

gotnotime You are still citing examples of individuals calling another individual a cunt or a dick.

In this e-mail exhange, the men refer to women (plural, ie, ALL women) as 'gash'.

Can you think of a situation where you would ever use the word 'cock' instead of the word 'men'? (Not MAN, but MEN).

An e-mail between two female friends or colleagues, for example:

'Well, that's cock for you. They can't muti-task!'
'Looks like all the cock in the office has had a pay rise!'

It doesn't really ring true, does it? One might call an individual man a cock, but I don't think you'd refer to ALL men by a slang name for men's genitalia.

And that's a generous example anyway, since the word 'gash', as has already been pointed out, suggests women's genitals are ugly or flawed. Cock doesn't have the same connotations.

Disclaimer: reference to multi-tasking was deliberate, tongue-in-cheek, and does not reflect my true beliefs.

Aside from this example, the only other time I've seen/heard a man refer to women as 'gash' was on The Inbetweeners. That says it all really.

waterlego and pounding have it. Indefensible and vile. He looks really shifty I would LOVE to see him sacked.

Okay then lets forget about gash or the fact it was used as a plural for a moment.

If a man was to refer to a woman (not all women) as minge or something similar would that be okay?