to be absolutely furious about football chief and emails referring to women as 'gash'??

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Sorry if there are other threads about this, couldn't find any.

Richard Scudamore, head of the Premier League, has been merrily sending emails referring to women as 'gash' and 'skinny big-titted broads', 'irrational' and lots of other incendiary misogynist shite.

Oh but he's apologised. That's nice eh, nothing to see here

Apparently he reports to the Premier League Board, which is two people, one of whom is errrrrr Richard Scudamore

AIBU to think an apology is nowhere near enough and he should bloody well resign?

It's been reported that the Premier League's women's officer has been told not to make any comment. Wouldn't want the shiny-suited money-making boys' club to be unnecessarily disturbed by any harpies would we

Anyone for a Premier League boycott next season? (Congrats to Man City by the way) How about we all give our money to the women's game instead

I think that's a bit nit picky, waterlego. The point is a valid one, why is it considered more acceptable to disparage men using their genitals as descriptive insult, but not women?

I know that in a male hegemonic society the female derogation is far more damaging and has much more potential to damage the lives/progression of women and gender equality, however, pots and kettles do spring to mind.

Or are we all to become Ladettes in order to become equal?

What a weirdo.

In Belgium, right now, he would be getting investigated for having committed a criminal offence.

The lawyer should be subject to a disciplinary hearing by the Law Society too, if not struck off.

Talking of lawyer, didn't he say that Scudamore was referring to golf clubs when he used the word gash?

As I said way back up thread, if that is true (if, I said if) then the meaning of the word would be very very different - spare, not being used, as in going gash.

And Chelsy, why would his lawyer be subject to disciplinary? Their job (as unpalatable as it must be sometimes) is to put their clients case. Defence lawyers can't be held responsible for the lies/bigotry of their clients. They wouldn't be able to do their job otherwise.

Sorry I haven't read the whole thread but at least one person has commented pn the Frankie Howard comment. Frankie Howard managed , a bit like Samantha on I'm sorry I haven't a Clue of pulling off being absolutely filthy without being offensive.

From what I read, Scudamore and lawyer have claimed that when they were emailing about how hard it was to keep a female colleague off the lawyer's "shaft", whether hard or soft, they were talking about golf clubs. Frankly, that ridiculous lie tops it all.
Lawyers are not supposed to behave in this kind of disreputable manner, and the lawyer could be reported to his professional body for that.

Okay then lets forget about gash or the fact it was used as a plural

Why? That's what the thread is about. That's what Scudamore wrote.

Why is there so little about this on other news sites? It's not on the BBC or the Guardian - in both cases I had to search for his name. Has the story been hushed up?

Euuuuugh, Swannery, I just went back and re-read that bit. Oh what jolly japes, what times they had, what lads they are!

If the Prem don't handle it the FA should. I think he falls under their aegis and could be fined/reprimanded by them....

But I have only read the Mirror, and that's a bit like relying on the Sun for info. I'm off to see if I can find a report that precedes the Mirror.

Seems like all stories begin with the Mirror. All else comes after it or refers to it directly. Wonder why?

But I am sick of reading "What is important is that Richard has said he is sorry and has recognised it was unfortunate"

Yeah, and I am sorry I killed your cat/stole your husband/got you sacked/licked your biscuits .... and I am really sorry I got caught.

Knowing I will be undermining my own earlier argument, he is indeed a prick! I hope the women in his life/home make him suffer.

Has he any idea how bad this apology sounds to women. he saying it's fine to be so sexist as it was with friends. That does not change things. Nor does he say he is going to change his views on women or learn how to treat them properly.

"These were private emails exchanged between colleagues and friends of many years.

'They were received from and sent to my private and confidential email address, which a temporary employee who was with the organisation for only a matter of weeks, should not have accessed and was under no instruction to do so.

'Nonetheless I accept the contents are inappropriate and apologise for any offence caused, particularly to the former employee. It was an error of judgement that I will not make again.'

He is not intelligent enough to be holding that post.

Yep, he hasn't actually stated that the terminology he used was wrong.

LineRunner, think about what you just typed.

He is an advertising johnny, 'elevated' from Yellow pages to selling football. He has always worked in the most sexist of industries. He has become institutionalised, poor man.

Have a heart people, this man needs your help, your sympathy.

Blech!

I suppose I could do a charity gala night to raise awareness of the horror that is Scudamore.

But the comparison with racism is valid as the point is that one form of discrimination based on genetic factors is still seen as more acceptable than another. Surprise surprise but the Daily Mail comments section is awash with "get over yourself ladeez" chat in a way that I really don't believe would have been the case if racist terms had been used.

It's the violence of the term "gash" that sets it apart for me and the fact there is no element of behaviour attached to it. Twat, cunt, dick etc tend to be linked with something someone has done ie someone being a total cunt, bit of a dick, whereas I've never heard of gash being linked to behaviour - it's just a state of being ie female. If a group of men were referred to as "dicks" I'd assume it's because they had been behaving in an unpleasant manner whereas a group of gashes - I'd think the reference was to a group of women being, well, women.

Why? That's what the thread is about. That's what Scudamore wrote

Because I got flamed for comparing it to calling a guy a dick.
And I'm trying to make you see how the hypocrisy of thinking its fine to call a man a dick has flown over many heads.

Had scudamore referred to a single woman as gash, minge, pussy cunt or whatever there would still be an uproar because it is sexist.

Yet calling a man names that refer to his gender is fine because 'that's what friends do'

Besides if people can compare this to racism then i can compare it to sexism towards men.

Nomama I don't understand what you posted to me. What's nitpicky?
I wasn't condoning name-calling of any type. I was trying to explain to another poster the difference between calling an indivdual a name, and referring to a whole group by a particular name. I didn't say either was ok.

But actually, yes, I would and have called individuals names. 'Twat', 'prick', 'cock', being the ones I would be most likely to use.

It isn't the same as using one such word for an entire group.

From the BBC website:

Sexist emails sent by Premier League chief executive Richard Scudamore are as damaging as racist comments made by ex-LA Clippers owner Donald Sterling, according to John Amaechi.
Sterling was fired by the NBA but former basketball player Amaechi says Scudamore will escape punishment.
Amaechi said: "He has pulled a Donald Sterling but he will get away with it."

Again: why is the Sterling story in the "Most Read" section, and the Scudamore story nowhere to be seen? Is there a threat of legal action?

I don't use any of those words to describe anyone. The difference is all of them apart from this awful word will be used in a specific situation with reference to one person. They might be used aggressively in anger, with or without justification, or they might be used affectionately.

As many others have said this was used as a generic term for all women.

Do you think he didn't realise one was meant to laugh at not with The Inbetweeners?

EddieStobbart exactly right. All the other words are predicated on behavior not just being.

Totally agree Eddie.

gotnotime, I can't speak for anyone else, but I would not feel offended at a man calling an individual woman one of those names. I might think it was unpleasant, but not necessarily sexist- it depends on the context.

e.g. If Scudamore had said in an e-mail that a woman of his acquaintance was 'being a cunt about XYZ', I would certainly find it coarse, and might wonder what the woman had done to deserve such wrath, but I wouldn't regard it as inherently sexist.

As Eddie said, using one of those terms for an individual is usually because they have behaved in a way that the speaker doesn't like.

Referring to ALL women as 'gash' is reducing them to nothing more than a set of ugly genitals. To me, the context, meaning and connotations are completely different, but if you don't see that, I don't know how else to explain it.

Gash, minge and pussy are simply used to refer to women in a derogative way.
Men do get called cunt because it's been adopted as an insult re: behaviour.
I've never heard a man being called a dick for just existing and I can't think of an equivalent term.
Men get reduced to their genitalia when behaving unacceptably, women get reduced to theirs when walking down the street.

Waterlego, another perspective is that it isn't the group/individual name calling that is the only issue.

Using genitalia to disparage someone/anyone is also an issue. Why is there a difference? Is it because women feel that they must meet fire with fire? Must we really join them? Become ladettes? I hope not. There are some things about being female I value, not being crude is one of them.

Men get reduced to their genitalia when behaving unacceptably, women get reduced to theirs when walking down the street.

Yep.

waterlego

I completely 100% understand what you are saying. I'm just being a bit nitpiky as earlier in the thread another's posters main problem was that this word referred to a vagina. Meaning that that's all they are a walking vagina.

So I thought I would switch it around that's all.